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Lithl

>Everyone knows what IHYD is, everyone knows what's happened in the last few days and everyone knows how damning the things she is saying is. I have no idea what any of those things are.


kingpin_98

Long story very short Michael David L*nch host of the EDH YouTube show I Hate Your Deck has been accused of abuse and sexual harassment.


AbatedAmoeba93

Glad you clarified as OP assumed quite a bit, and they should know what happens when someone assumes….


ambermage

Ah yes, well, everyone knows that ...


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OP also (inadvertently it seems) highlighted a huge reason why so many haven't heard of it: platforms like the main Magic TCG subreddit aren't talking about it because they're not "allowed" to. All it does is protect the dude from IHYD at the expense of his victims.


serenedipsi

Why are you putting a * in his name


Shadoe531

Because the * is replacing the letter Y and the word L*nch is causing comments and posts to be removed as the word is also used for other more controversial means. It’s part of the reason OP says posts on this topic were being taken down.


kingpin_98

for fun mostly


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Oh_Good_Hunter

The court of public opinion grabs more pitchforks with each post. The last post I saw about the drama, there was a comment grouping MDL in with Epstein and Weinstein. Absolutely insane


TheLostMasterpiece

The MTG community especially content creators are so quick to cannibalize their own because most of them are dogshit. Even if MDL did* do this, that means he can’t go to therapy and get better? Isn’t that what people want from people who supposedly do this kind of stuff? I guess not. I guess once you supposedly act like an asshole you are unredeemable. People of this thread bitching about the IHYD “echo chamber”, what the fuck do you think you guys are doing? Reacting in the cancel culture…..you got it Echo Chamber. This whole case study in the modern cancel culture era made me not only step away from MTG but IHYD as well. Like the whole community reeks of quick draw cancel culture bullshit.


Oh_Good_Hunter

Yeah, I don’t understand what the end game is for those who condemn others. Not saying what MDL is ok but is he allowed to live a life again after reflecting on his actions or is he banned to Siberia never to return to the world of Magic? It’s just burn at the stake and you must live a life of being forever branded. That’s just crazy to me. Given enough time (and therapy if needed), I believe everyone has a chance to turn it around if they really do regret their actions and want to change for the better. Get ready to get downvoted into oblivion because FORGIVENESS IN THE MAGIC COMMUNITY?!?!?!?! ABSOLUTELY NOT.


Pyro1934

What I’d like to see assuming that he reflects and understands the wrongdoing is for him to come out, own his mistakes, and actively promote for better treatment and awareness as a form of reparations.


Oh_Good_Hunter

I think those are very fair and reasonable expectations


TheLostMasterpiece

I’d like to know if all these women who auto “believe” like Rachel Weeks and Olivia Gobert-Hicks would auto believe women who came out against Kibler or Rachel’s husband. It’s easy to burn random people at the stake.


Oh_Good_Hunter

I’d like to know if the auto-believers ever apologized or if they were hush hush hoping it’ll blow over. In the cancel community, it’s often the latter since apologizing to them is just admitting guilt


StarGuardLux

I thought it was just me...


veritas723

IHYD is a newer darling of youtube EDH content. I hate your deck. seems to focus a lot on "celebrity" guests. and a more edgy ... ie cusing type content. fills the niche of people who backlash against game knights for being the popular nerd. and want a "cool" nerd to root for. while still clearly having polish and media savvy. (to me it always felt like...there was like one rich pric behind the endeavor ...or one person who's an insider/knows everyone) a little while back, the show had it's first stumble when the "co-host" left. Which i think was the black dude. Was some general griping, and cringe. seemed like there was some salt, and shitty behavior(like.. the co-host who was asked to leave... was arguing with people in discord? or being a dick in their patreon discord? and maybe targeting players because of perceived slights. ...so like. nerd shit shittiness). but it largely didn't affect the channel too much. the two main characters simply parted ways. --honestly. prob was as simple as the show got some clout, and the two main personalities butt heads. and one guy not being too smart with regards to their online presence was enough for the guy who prob owns the IP to give the other guy the boot new drama is... an article speaking in broad strokes about sexual harassments/intimidation women creatives experience in the acting/TV/film world. Sort of dragging some D list people and D list producers/directors. featured and actress that named the remaining host of IHYD Turns out the host of IHYD was a low watt shitty director for a meh show/movie, broke some general rules of how productions should be run according to SAG (screen actors guild) rules... and an actress alleged that with no prior knowledge nudity/sex scenes would be in the film, had one sprung on her. she felt uncomfortable, refused to do it. but Lynch (the host of IHYD) gave her the classic shitty lie of "let's film it both ways...and you can totally have final say which one is used" so they shot a nude version and a not nude/suggestive version. The actress claims she was never given the promised final call. And that when the movie premiered, her fully nude body was on display. She was upset. felt betrayed. and lists several behaviors that were highly suspect/shitty from lynch. (her saying when she voiced her initial hesitancy, he was very bullying, after betraying her ...he said something to the fact... you should be happy, dudes are saying they want to fuck you. and other general fuckery. and other just shitty behavior. when the article dropped. as others have mentioned. lynch first response was...the real class act. "she's a whore" she's lying. she fucked some dude... here's some rando video that proves as much. turns out, he was a two faced lying scum bag. saying things to this actress to try and again... trick her into not causing problems. while publicly being shitty toward her. there were some also classy... "i'm working on myself/in therapy" mel gibson style mea culpa. but nothing really seemingly genuine or actually addressing the issue at hand. of course... the "even accusing a man can literally destroy his career" types came out of the woodwork. and calls... to wait for context. and really incorrect crowing about what is, and isn't sexual harassment were given by the men's rights lawyer squad.... and without 100% proof. we just have to assume this woman is lying. because... gasp. the accusation alone!!! as more information has come out. only seems like mr lynch is incapable of not being a shit bag. and seems like the woman's story is consistent. and supported by other people. new new drama is... the mtg reddit. seems to be kinda shitty in auto-deleting posts mentioning this scandal. because reasons. --i dunno. I got banned from r/mtg calling some asshole a cunt, who called me a retard for playing burn. So... that they're being sketchy with regards to a community story involving sexual harassment. doesn't really surprise me all that much not the short version. but... maybe explains some things


MaccaNo1

See this actually explains things properly. Thank you for taking the time to actually explain what’s going on.


No-Seaworthiness7013

Good write up thanks.


CaptainShitForBrains

This is better than the actual post, nice one.


DonnieZonac

Thanks for a write up that explains what the post claimed to explain


GibsysAces

There is a couple of things wrong with the write up: According to both, She was not sprung with a nude scene, in an interview she gave for the behind the scenes video she talks about workshopping the nude scene with her co-host for months prior and were all in discussion about the scene ahead of time. According to both, the nudity was at a screening, not the premier. Once she voiced her disgust L\*nch suggested they reshoot the scene.


veritas723

this vaunted interview video is suspect. why would you need to workshop something for months, if it was this agreed upon thing? some promotional "behind the scenes" footage is also likely to be staged, if not scripted, and at the very least, there will be significant pressure to present a professional/favorable front for the project. --like, does anyone honestly think you'd get an honest or frank discussion being filmed for a project by the people of the project... you felt abused/harassed by? from her statements outside such pressure seemed to state that...there was a point where there was no inclination there would be nudity in this film. then there was. and she was uncomfortable. didn't want to do it, but after heavy pressure from MDL , abusive and unprofessional brow beating.... and some lies from MDL agreed to it(under the promise she would have some sort of oversight or final say.... which was a lie). --which fits within the narrative of "workshopping it for months" if you look at it another way. the specifics on which shitty tactics he used to coerce her into filming a nude scene, and then leaving the more revealing and sexualized content in the final film (like... if she hadn't seen or heard about the nude scene being left in fully nude...and raised as much of an issue as she had.... there's zero indication anything would have been changed prior to full release... the clear intention was to deceive her, and do what the director initially wanted, despite her objections and uncomfortable-ness)


GibsysAces

No inclination of nudity in the film, that is just straight up wrong, she knew there was nudity, according to statements from both there were multiple discussions about nudity in the film. She saw the scene, didn't like it and raised it with L\*nch, who suggested the reshoot, should the reshoot have happened straight away? Yes (we don't know what happened between filming the scene and the screening, but I highly doubt that there would be no interval view prior to the screening, every actor/actress I've spoken to has said they are shown the footage before any screening.


veritas723

She wasn’t presented with a script prior to taking the role. Articles state was an independent “organic” process. Where at one point she was told there would be a nude scene So. The process was. Not something she consented to prior to already being obligated to do the project. And the specific scene was then negotiated after it was disclosed. There is a drastic difference in being presented with something prior to accepting the gig. Vs something being sprung on you midway through. Was part of the original article. The pressure of … not being a trouble maker. The entire production being delayed or affected. Mdl behavior. Seemed focused entirely on his wishes and process and used deception and lies to coerce her into agreeing to it. And then deception and betrayal. After the fact. And then. Only after her raising the issue after she found out were any changes made Or. If you have a link that states she agreed to nudity in the film prior to taking the role I would be happy to read it. And adjust my thinking But everything I’ve read suggests. It was an aspect revealed sometime during the filming process. That she was uncomfortable with. And agreed to under certain conditions that ultimately weren’t respected or honored


GibsysAces

I'll have another read/ find and link the interview and will post it here. Now I'm no behavioural expert, but nothing in the interview shows me she was upset while talking about it (at the time of the interview).


veritas723

if your argument hinges on the fact that women are incapable of putting on a brave or otherwise "normal" face when really they've been wronged. again... this "video" isn't the flex y'all think it is. like... there's literally video footage of POWs saying they're fine and being treated well. You honestly think an actress who felt pressured and severely manipulated can't also put on a brave/normal face for PR video for the film project she just sacrificed her morals/ethics for under duress? there's also a reality that... let's say for arguments sake. that video was filmed right around the time she felt the director was going to honor her demand to have final say. when she maaaaybe felt, somewhat secure in that her boundaries would be respected. that would be a radically different person, than a woman who was sitting in a screening only to be horrified and betrayed to see her naked body on screen. it's just a bizarre stance to cherry pick this one scripted moment as proof she is somehow lying about everything else. If anything it seems manipulative on face value... like, to me it reads like someone trying to cover their ass and preempt/undermine her position, who knew all along the plan was to betray and abuse her consent. EVEN with this video. seems the production did not provide any of the prescribed safety or advocacy elements for the actress prior to doing the nude seem. it's not in dispute... she was uncomfortable, and was subject to pressure to change her mind. It's not in dispute... that she was lied to. It's not in dispute, that if not for her extreme reaction, it's clear the intent was to go ahead with the fully nude scene in the final product... in exact opposite to her stated consent.


GibsysAces

You said she was not presented with a script prior to taking the role, where did you get that information? Because it was not part of her retracted acceptance of his apology, not in the buzzfeed article, or the article buzzfeed copied word for word. ​ We have no proof at all, that the intent was to go with the nude scene in the final release, that is pure speculation. It is definitely possible she filmed it, was comfortable with it at the time, filmed the behind the scenes interview and then changed her mind after seeing it on the big screen, which is entirely her choice, but that does not mean she was forced to do the scene or pressured. ​ Right now, it is he said she said. The best person to shed light on the scene in question and her mindset would be her former co-star in joe Burke, as it has been said they discussed and workshopped the scene for months prior to its filming.


veritas723

The initial article presents it as a film shoot where there was no concrete script. The fully nude sex scene was included in the cut that was screened for an audience. If the actress hadn’t seen it. Or presumedly not cared or not chosen to raise an issue that is the scene that would have been in the final film. It is beyond idiotic to put forth this idea mdl would have gone to any length to honor his word to the actress or address her concerns without her bringing it up again. After having called him on violating their agreement and her consent And she said she was pressured and bullied and mdl was very aggressive towards her when she voiced her concerns. Her behavior seems consistent and believable. His does not. I’ve not read anything where he disputes that she asked for oversight. He instead claims she was ultimately ok with the decision. He claims she was ok with the scene and yet clearly she wasn’t based on her reactions at the time of the screening. His statements about her. Slut shaming her and attempting to drag her for dating someone or other fuckery speak to a very low character. Nothing about her accusations are outside the scope of specific acts he did as a professional. This is not the case for him. His attacks are personal. And indicative of a misogynistic abuser So. It’s not a casual he said she said. There is public record demonstrating their characters And given his behavior. And her accusations. I’m inclined to side with the woman who was victimized


_wormburner

According to Benita, they were supposed to shoot both. But MDL said "hey we don't have time to shoot both so shoot the nude scene and I'll cut around it" and then put the nude scene in without the cuts, without giving her the choice to see it first and make a decision about how she was represented. She clearly explains this in her video


watokosha

Thanks! Have been wondering what this whole issue is about good to know some more context. Never consumed mtg content so never followed any of these groups


GayBlayde

I’ve also never heard of this person or YouTube show and had no idea what’s gone down. And am kind of flabbergasted with OP’s ridiculous assumptions.


Srakin

Same yo, no idea why anyone would assume we would?


MTGO_Duderino

Me neither. Magic is the last hobby I would expect to have this imitation celebrity news cycle.


xyz-cba

Exactly my thought, I followed multiple links in op’s post just to try and find out who any of these people are. I don’t care about some minor content creator’s drama/malfeasance/however you want to describe it. It’s really in no way magic related, these people are the periphery of the periphery of the hobby. If it was someone affiliated with WotC or the EDH rules team/committee that would be relevant.


_wormburner

IHYD videos get like 200k+ views on YouTube. Tolarian Community College, Post Malone, and Cassius Marsh (NFL player and owner of high end mtg shop) were all regular members on the show. Not to mention Rachel Weeks, Brian Kibler, and other big mtg content creators. To say it's fringe content is just wrong. The channel was also sponsored by Alter Sleeves and Card Kingdom all who have since dropped as sponsors


Toys-R-Us_GiftCard

I mean, I'm 99% sure Cassius funds everything that is IHYD. They play in his store, they use his high end cards, I guarantee he bankrolls everything the sponsors didn't. I've always felt IHYD was one giant ad for Cash Cards Ultd.


hausinthehouse

This isn’t true - they were mostly funded by the Patreon and some merch


Cellandning

>I don’t care about some minor content creator’s drama It's not minor drama. The previous posts when it was minor is still up here on Reddit and readily available. This has escalated into sexual harassment aligations. I'd say that's a tad more serious than "minor drama". >It’s really in no way magic related It's Magic related the same way discussing things about the Professor, Game Knights and other Streamers/YouTubers is Magic related. It's not about WotC or the game specifically but it concerns the community. OP shouldn't have assumed that everyone was in the loop. I'm not. I just read a comment here that explained in more detail. But if you don't watch the YouTube show IHYD then know that one of the shower-runners is accused for sexual harassment and then move on. The post is probably more aimed towards those that are active watchers anyway.


gcrackerfuller

I agree OP made some assumptions and should have added more context, but do think it’s still relevant to discuss. The channel has gained a lot of popularity in the edh community, with many videos getting 3-400k views and featuring many popular guests such as the professor, post Malone, and many more. And many people who follow the channel including myself do appreciate knowing this kind of thing because it is relevant as a viewer. If you don’t watch this content I totally understand why you wouldn’t care, just pointing out some of us in this sub do.


TheW1ldcard

You are way off base. They were one of the bigger edh YouTube channels. So to say they aren't magic related is not true.


TheReal_BucNasty

Some YouTube channel that most of us players honestly don't give a fuck about. Tired of all the drama and topics on it.


RedDreadsComin

Exactly what I thought lmao


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lykosen11

Yep. It's horrible. After being a long term contributor, I posted a picture of my new cube. Super popular post. Turns out my power 9 was proxies, I had no idea it was against the rules. Permanently banned. Mods ignore all my messages. Apparently I was "spreading counterfeit cards".


KRAKHEAD_4_LYFE

At this point if the idiot mods over there have banned you it's a sign that you are a rational, normal person.


LemurLand

They banned me for saying white supremacy is bad


jomontage

They'll also ban you for saying proxy lol


L3yline

I got that ban over a year ago and I'm glad I don't see half the crap that goes on in that sub anymore


shinsho

They only allow posts about girlfriends who makes cakes with mtg decorations.


YARGLE_IS_MY_DAD

My GF (Golgari Find broker (no you can't see her (yes, shes real and foil))) made me these cupcakes! And then my GIRLFRIEND and I went on a date where my GIRLFRIEND and I totally played magic at my lgs! And my GIRLFRIEND and I won!


MirandaSanFrancisco

Or posting digital alters of cards. And they won’t unban you even when Wizards of the Coast hires you to make official cards based on the thing they banned you for. Nor will they reconsider if digital alters “promote piracy” based on how Wizards hired someone who was making digital alters to make official Magic cards.


th3saurus

These are my gfs, and yes they smoke weed


lykosen11

Can confirm. I got perma banned for it.


PEKKAmi

They banned me for saying bans are good.


Meztere

To be fair they were just giving you what you wanted /s


thespaghettipolicy_

I made a post about [[Jin-Gitaxias, Progress Tyrant]] having a phyrexian watermark, they removed it because “they don’t allow posts with photos of your cards”, I counted nine other posts on the first page with just “peoples cards”, called them on it. They banned me because “doesn’t get it.”


MTGCardFetcher

[Jin-Gitaxias, Progress Tyrant](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/c/5/c57b4876-5387-4f73-b8e2-8e7bdca8b0bc.jpg?1644036929) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jin-Gitaxias%2C%20Progress%20Tyrant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/59/jin-gitaxias-progress-tyrant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c57b4876-5387-4f73-b8e2-8e7bdca8b0bc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jin-gitaxias-progress-tyrant) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


[deleted]

Well, Magic as a community is *normally*, inclusive as fuck. That said, no, the Magic community has not run off all the white supremacist pieces of shit who actively refuse to see anything wrong with \[\[Invoke Prejudice\]\]


melonstapler

R/.... well shit I can’t remember, but there is an alt-right mtg subreddit. Mostly just complains about women.


MTGCardFetcher

[Invoke Prejudice](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/0/903d9fde-d7da-4a0e-a337-b63023c6d74b.jpg?1591988938) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Invoke%20Prejudice) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/leg/62/invoke-prejudice?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/903d9fde-d7da-4a0e-a337-b63023c6d74b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/invoke-prejudice) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


spectrefox

Holy shit, what a card. That's... *jesus*. I'm impressed at how awful it is.


LethalVagabond

White is arguably the weakest color in Magic. Blue supremacy is bad for Magic. ...if your immediate response to the above statement is some version of "That's not the kind of 'White' I'm talking about and you know it"... Then you just prove their point that you were completely off-topic for a Magic thread. Take those discussions elsewhere where they belong. This space is for conversations about a particular card game, nothing else.


[deleted]

Right, a card game and a space that includes everyone. Racists are not people who want to include everyone, they do not treat fellow players with respect. Calling out bullshit shouldn’t be ban worthy. He didn’t comment “white supremacy bad lol” for no reason


Gado_DeLeone

You don’t even know that person made the reply, and yet you wanna judge them on it. Very nice.


-Abracafuckyou-

Got anymore shit takes?


swagner628

Dude, that's a bad joke even with the right context.l, which you had none of with dudes comment. Take your trash opinion elsewhere. Yeah, conversation should be centered on the game, but tangents are just a thing that happens in conversations. If a player you interact with is a white supremacists and brings their politics into the game and you come to a subreddit for how to address it, is that a violation? No. So shut up with the "holier than thou" rules abiding angel attitude. You'll only embarrass yourself and look like a racists yourself.


Panda-s1

idk I, as a non-white person, might have to deal with white supremacist shitheads in my gaming spaces, and that includes mtg so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


AtoriasDarkwalker999

Found the moderator


Vallosota

Lmao me too


Vennomite

I didnt read the post. No clue what's going on. Doesn't matter this statement will absolutely be true regardless of the situation.


CaptainShitForBrains

I just don't follow it cause the posts suck.


__Bad_Dog__

The ones here are no different.


Mons00n_909

This post has been up for 7 hours without being removed like on the main sub. Totally fair if you dislike the mods for other reasons, but they're obviously not quite the same.


_Zambayoshi_

You think this is bad. You should try mentioning playtest cards and see how fast you get banned. /s


lykosen11

I got permanently banned and out on ignore for saying that my power 9 in my vintage cube were proxies with "proxy" written on it. Apparently I was "prompting Chinese counterfeits"


01WWing

We joke about this, but I've been banned on the main sub for years after mentioning that I use Chinese proxies of cards that they refuse to reprint for no good reason.


LexMelkan

Oof, I'm a somewhat newer player and started around Dominaria. I found a card that seemed pretty fun to play in an artifact creature deck and not too powerful anyhow [[the abyss]]. Turns out it's 800 euros or so, reserved list and quite old. Point is that after finding that out those proxies suddenly started sounding that much more interesting and I can easily see getting banned over an honest question.


01WWing

I wasn't even referring to the reserved list cards at the time, even though they are a problem. The thing that annoyed me and ultimately drove me out of the game was their price inflation and exclusivity around cards that are easily reprintable like Doubling Season, Parallel Lives, etc. Things that they could and should properly reprint, but they choose to not do so in a meaningful way.


MTGCardFetcher

[the abyss](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/f/1/f11db51c-bbbc-4890-960e-d8a3eacca1e5.jpg?1562945880) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=the%20abyss) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me3/77/the-abyss?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f11db51c-bbbc-4890-960e-d8a3eacca1e5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-abyss) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


TheW1ldcard

This seems like a good reason why the whole Seb situation also got blown over really fast. And if I recall, the same issues were happening where posts were getting removed.


MortalSword_MTG

The mods over there are very heavy handed and do everything in their power to keep WotC happy.


BrandedStrugglerGuts

Not sure why you're being downvoted. This is actually quite correct


melonstapler

Wait... wtf happened with seb? For the love of god don’t tell me he turned out to be a scum bag.


SteveStSteve

Doubled down when he got called out for vocally supporting the Canadian trucker protest (he may have even gone to them himself, can’t fully recall). This was when it was clear it was being heavily influenced by white supremacists/swastika and confederate flags were being flown


TheW1ldcard

Yeah he was definitely at them.


TabletopUnboxing

Indeed. During the Seb incident I noticed that a good chunk of the posts got removed in mass due to similar reasons: 1) The word n*zi instead of Lyn*h made the bots scrub it. 2) Any sort of productive discussion to highlight the incident got removed when it gained any traction citing that it is "off-topic" or simply locked. Its a real shame, because there's a ton of good artists or in this incident, content creators, that aren't crappy people that we can support instead.


Imaishi

you're wrong when you say everyone knows what this "IHYD" is or follows internet drama about them. i do not agree this is on topic, after now reading what this is about, and personally discussing it doesn't interest me, but I still don't think this should be removed as this is clearly what a decent portion of the subs want to talk about, and there really isn't any harm in keeping it. that's definitely a weird decision, one of many the mods of that sub have made.


TabletopUnboxing

You're right in that I made an assumption that people were in the loop on all this so I rectified it by compiling the following which chronicles the issue and gives background information - https://www.reddit.com/r/EDH/comments/ti8tv7/the_comprehensive_post_on_why_ihyd_and_benita/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share I appreciate your understanding and while we don't see eye to eye on this topic I'm glad that you can see the value in highlighting it!


loafbeef

I think the mods just decided it was easier to shut down the discussions on this topic rather than take their usual tactic of reading every post and scrubbing opinions they don't like...it would be too much work for this topic.


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I've left that sub after reading what they've done to try to cover up the posts, because that's exactly what they're doing there. They aren't being removed for being "off topic" or anything else like that - they're burying anything they can because it's a PR nightmare for WotC (think of how a gamergate like situation looks for them even though they aren't even responsible - it's in their "atmosphere" and accordingly people very well could blame them by association) and any sponsors of IHYD (I see at least one has already ducked out). Trying to cover up things like this only makes them look worse. Shame on those mods.


Oberon_Swanson

And sadly this is what leads to super toxic subcultures where the abusers always win and are emboldened so it happens more and more. While I don't want to cast someone out at the first accusation, he's basically admitted it and there's evidence of the coverup. Also makes me call into question the other drama that happened with the previous co-host and whether that was fabricated or blown out of proportion for someone else's benefit.


JustylDnD

Currently both Card Kingdom and Alter Sleeves have dropped IHYD. I'm really hoping Moxfield and Dragon Shield do as well.


MortalSword_MTG

Just a matter of time. IHYD is half in the grave. No one will sponsor the show, guests will not come out, MLD will be ostracized by all the prominent creators and celeb collaborators. He probably has a few videos in the backlog. He may release them to soak up some residual income from those who don't know whats going on, but that will dry up soon enough.


JustylDnD

From what other creators have said, he has at most about 3 episodes. He seems to always be at least using his most recent guest's videos, and one of the guests from his most recent video stated they recorded around 4 games that day.


thearchersbowsbroke

Moxfield did as of the 15th.


JustylDnD

So Dragonshield is the only sponsor who hasn't made a statement?


mproud

Dude, forget r/MagicTCG. Head on over to r/mtg. They’re totally more chill and intelligent.


TabletopUnboxing

Just subbed their now. Happy to be part of a place that values human decency


Anitek9

Until everyone moves to r/mtg and the circle starts over again, lol.


A_Character_Defined

Just got permabanned from the main sub for making a joke about proxies, thanks for the suggestion 😊


lykosen11

Same same.


BrandedStrugglerGuts

This is sweet. Thanks for plugging


Tralan

>Everyone knows what IHYD is, everyone knows what's happened in the last few days and everyone knows how damning the things she is saying is... I literally have no idea what is going on.


TabletopUnboxing

I made a comprehensive recap here - https://www.reddit.com/r/EDH/comments/ti8tv7/the_comprehensive_post_on_why_ihyd_and_benita/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


Tralan

I read that, but it still assumes I know what's going on.


Dealric

Can we not make this sub about shitting on main mtg sub? Main MTG sub has shitty, useless mods by any standards yes, but lets keep this place free of that.


GageZerk

I'm gonna be brutally honest here, I am so sick and tired of the nonsensical, slacktivist hivemind telling me that I don't care about abuse because I don't display "public outrage" at every little thing that doesn't have anything to do with me. I come here to talk about and to read about Magic. Yano, a card game. I don't come here to talk about a shitty thing that some random creator, who DOES NOT REPRESENT ME and most of the community doesn't know about, support or interact with, did to a random actress that I know nothing about many years ago in an industry that has quite literally nothing to do with a fucking card game. That does not mean I somehow sympathise with abusers or am "pushing someone's trauma under the rug" or whatever buzz phrase you guys wanna use. You talking about how outraged you are in the echo chamber that is Reddit does not support anybody, it does not change anything, it is simply your lazy, toxic way of getting some invisible internet points and sense of self satisfaction. "I am a good person" as you sit back in your chair and then get on with your daily life like the rest of us do. Congratulations. You all talk about how toxic it is and yet you people are the most toxic of all. You insult, you accuse, you force your opinions and "outrage" onto others and dismiss those that don't join your hivemind. I'm genuinely sick of it. If you wanna do some activism, if you wanna help this woman and people like her, go and join some protests, go help out some charities, go spread the word in places that are relevant. I know, and ultimately you know, that 99% of people like you will not do any of that shit because you ultimately don't care that much. This whole situation absolutely is not relevant to EDH, MagicTCG or any other sub related to Magic and the mods were right to be removing them. I and many others like me come here to blow off steam, talk about nerdy shit, have a laugh, share ideas or just pass the time. If I wanna be outraged about shit I will go to the proper subs. That does not make me a vile human, it actually makes me pretty normal, so shame on all you people in the comments here. Thanks.


LexMelkan

You probably don't need people rating your opinion but anyhow.. it's a valid opinion as well. I do think though that "most of the community doesn't know about" is where the difference in how people see this comes from - a lot of people watch the EDH gameplay channels and the one in question turned into a high profile one quite fast. It's quite natural to feel bummed/shame/whatever if something one invested time and perhaps even money in turns out to be rotten. Where are those people going to vent and process the thing? Probably in the medias they first heard of the whole thing and where they know others who feel the same will be at (hivemind, sure). They're blowing off steam just like you, just about a different matter. It's annoying that they're bleeding into your chill but it's quite natural if unfortunate. But yeah I think it's more about people trying to distance themselves from this thing mentally than actually trying to help anyone else and while it's a cynical way to see things I think you're right on the money on that one.


TheUnusuallySpecific

Man you need to calm down. This dude is a scumbag, sure. But you are going absolutely apeshit over these mods... doing their jobs. There are a barrage of inflammatory posts about some serious shit. They get quarantined. The post with the most clear, concise, and informative title returned to the sub. Literally all of your other titles are direct personal attacks on specific person called out by name. You are trying to incite a digital riot, and the mods on moderated forums exist specifically to prevent that. It's not hard my dude. Unbiased, informative title, then whatever personal attacks you want in the comments or on twitter. And before you get into it: yes, I'm sure he deserves the personal attacks. But the job of the mods isn't to decide who does and doesn't deserve to be personally attacked. It's to shut that sort of thing down entirely. The video makes it clear what the situation is and what kind of person she thinks what's his face is. The massive editorializing is unnecessary, unproductive, and removes agency from the very person you're trying to support. Also, mods are human beings too. It turns out, if you go "fuck you for moderating this forum! I'm gonna follow all of your *stupid* rules so well, you'll be *forced* to let my post stay up. Checkmate idiots." then they'll probably just remove your new post because you're being a dick about it. **Also** also, holy fuck dude, I just glanced at the header and realized this is the EDH sub. You came to a sub just to complain about the mods from a different sub? Get off your high horse friend, this isn't about you and your heroic struggle against censorship.


TabletopUnboxing

I'm not at mad the mods of the other sub, as I said in my post I understand what they're put under but I'm still disappointed in their actions that have scrubbed the sub of this video when it first came out despite several people trying to get it going. They gave their reasons for deleting my posts and when I updated it to adhere to their guidelines with their own words they decided to remove it anyway. Its not a matter of me struggling against censorship because I'm not the only one who got removed - it's moreso that they took a stance on it and when confronted with a updated message that addressed all their concerns they deleted it anyway. That just leads me conclude that what they said is simply doneso to pacify people rather than taking into actual consideration of allowing a post that will contain this narrative. I have no doubt in my mind that if Card Kingdom did not make their tweet then there would be no information at all on this controversy over there which is sickening and while you say the video explains it all, which I agree, the mods wouldn't even allow that to remain which is why I made this post because I respected their guidelines then revised my post to suit their rules but it was removed anyway. The only reason I put the "Why did this get removed" tag in the other thread was because everyone who tried to share said video got it deleted when it was clear that she had a valid reason to be known by the community and it was criminal the sort of comments she had received on her video that has since been deleted. I have not called the mods names nor have I tried to incite people to go out of their way to directly attack anyone in any shape or form as I am highly against bullying no matter who it is. My purpose was to bring to light Benita's side of the story because she had been wrongly represented by a prevalent member of our community and deserved to have her side of the story come to light. And this is indeed the EDH sub. I had to post my things here because the other one made it clear that they either do not care or cannot allow this sort of discussion to take place due to higher ups. But you are right about this not being able my struggles against censorship - its about doing what I believe to be right and the fact that none of the controversial topics have been removed here, means at least the people here aren't bound by the same constraint as though in the main sub or believe this is a topic worth keeping in the news. Either way, I'm just glad that people are taking it seriously and that these posts haven't been deleted and thus can help bring everyone up to speed.


BlodyBorin

Having no clue (despite OP's assumptions) what or who any of these people/places are, I'm still confused how MTG and nude scene went together. I thought the lewd anime alters are cringe enough, what's going on now???


LethalVagabond

TL:DR version? 1) Some dude named "Michael" plays magic with minor celebrities on a youtube show called "I hate your deck" (IHYD). To be clear, this show didn't even exist when the events of this scandal happened. 2) Allegations have recently emerged that a decade ago he was working on some low budget movie and pressured an actress into filming a nude scene that she wasn't comfortable with by promising that she would get to choose if the scene got cut in editing. That was apparently a lie, because the scene was shown in a screening without her permission. She's upset about it, he tried to cover it up and then gave an apparently insincere public apology. Card sleeve companies that had advertised on IHYD have responded by pulling their support. He does not and never had any support from WotC or the RC, so quite a lot of us here don't consider a shitty thing he did 10 years ago on a movie production to be at all relevant to Magic. Quite a few other posters disagree, so now we're stuck arguing about whether it's "on topic" to discuss celebrity scandals in a card game Reddit even though the events in question have nothing to do with playing Magic.


LethalVagabond

I have literally no idea what you're talking about and your post doesn't mention even a single card or mechanic of Magic, so I have to agree with the mods that whoever these people are and whatever drama they have IS off-topic, both there and here. This does not appear at all relevant to playing a card game.


TabletopUnboxing

I made a comprehensive guide to the controversy so that everyone will be filled in even if they have no previous knowledge. That post with all the context however has been removed from the main channel despite adhering to all their guidelines. https://www.reddit.com/r/EDH/comments/ti8tv7/the_comprehensive_post_on_why_ihyd_and_benita/ In my opinion, it matters an awful lot to the community which in turn affects the card game. If the people who represent us are allowed to get away with these sorts of actions then we aren't creating a good image for ourselves and are allowing toxic behaviour to be normalised. For sure, it doesn't affect the meta game. However, if we don't address it or show that scummy behaviour has consequences I think it give our game a bad reputation especially if the action in question is literal harassment, gaslighting and victim shaming.


LethalVagabond

First, allow me to thank you for your polite response. It does you credit. Second, let me get this straight: A youtube show about Magic had a Me Too style scandal, so you want complete strangers on the internet to express outrage, so that people who already think poorly of gamer nerds like us won't think even worse of us, and you want that outrage expressed here, in an echo chamber where those outside of the Magic community will never hear it anyway? Seriously, to what realistic end? I don't doubt your noble intent, but this really doesn't belong here and I don't see how it would accomplish any good even if left up here. I suspect that it's safe to say that nobody outside the Magic community watches IHYD, so it's hard to say how one person on that show could possibly be construed as "representing us" to anyone else. Frankly, I'm irritated at the absurd notion that any one unelected person with no formal standing in the community even could "represent" the vast and diverse population that plays Magic. The sort of person who stereotypes on the basis of a single negative outlier is not the sort of person whose good opinion I much care about having. I've never watched IHYD, so me boycotting it would be pointless, there are no "consequences" I could even theoretically impose on this Michael person. I suggest that you take your post to the comments section under their videos (if you haven't already), where viewers could respond by unsubscribing to IHYD in protest, but this matter still seems entirely irrelevant here. "In my opinion, it matters an awful lot to the community" An opinion that the mods apparently don't share and, respectfully, neither do I. It sounds like something horrible happened and I'm sure there is no shortage of sub-reddits devoted to tracking malfeasance and expressing appropriate outrage over each new instance, but I personally find those forums to be unbearably toxic and I left FB and other social media precisely because I am tired of the neverending online outrage machine. In my opinion, and according to my understanding of its own guidelines, this particular space exists solely for discussion of our hobby, and this post is indeed entirely off that topic. Magic is about cards and rules, not harassment. That a show is about Magic does not by some principle of transference make a post about the behind-the-scenes conduct of people on that show be likewise about Magic.


debid4716

You are absolutely correct. While it is terrible and he should face consequences, it’s really not magic related. And honestly, it’s not like everyone watched IHYD either. The actual article about his actions mention nothing about his YouTube channel and talk expressly about his behavior on the set of that movie. At the end of the day this man does not represent the community at large anymore than you or I do. And I think that one post about it informing everyone was probably enough.


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Calistilaigh

Lmao


Anitek9

The incident happened when the guy had no connectipn to magic whatsoever 10 years ago! Also the incident has nothing to do with the game. As mentioned, its bad what happened but do we discuss all the bad things in the World done by people who own magic cards in this sub?


The_Mormonator_

We've removed your post because it violates our primary rule, "Be Excellent to Each Other". You are welcome to message the mods if you need further explanation.


thepeter

Dude, keep this drama trash to /magictcg


CarbonCuber314

This comment made me laugh.


barely-rebecca

A prominent figure in the MTG community had turned out to be abusive. It's not "drama" it's the abuse and trama of a real live woman at the hands of a mtg content creator. This is relevant because everyone in our community should be informed so that things can change. We should not tolerate this from people at our LGS, let alone public faces of the magic community. You do not get to brush off a survivor sharing her story as "off topic"


LethalVagabond

Unless you are somehow making the argument that MTG caused the abuse, it's not relevant to MTG. Harassment isn't part of the hobby culture. That his abuse had to occur off-screen kinda proves the point that it isn't related to the content of the show, so there's no link to be made between Magic and abuse here. A human being was apparently a shitty person. That has everything to do with who he is and absolutely nothing to do with a card game he happens to play publicly. "This is relevant because everyone in our community should be informed so that things can change." Change! Makes a great slogan, but that's about it. I have a very low tolerance for online slackivism. Nothing you say or do here is likely to even be read by either of them, much less affect anything. Maybe posting your outrage here makes you feel better, but that's about it. He is not shaking in his boots at the thought that redditors are trash talking him. "We should not tolerate this". Bluntly, the relevant "we" there is people who actually watched IHYD, a subset of people that is far less than the whole of this Reddit, much less the Magic community as a whole, because only the people who were giving the show views have anything they can take away to meaningfully express their displeasure. The rest of the Magic community has zero ability to tolerate or not tolerate something they have nothing to do with in the first place. What are you going to do, ask players to stop buying cards or playing games until WotC does something about a show they don't own? "Awareness" without meaningful action is nothing more than self-righteous virtue signaling. This space is for discussion of a card game and that is utterly off topic. There are other places on Reddit and elsewhere dedicated to discussions of such things, but this isn't one of them. The mods are entirely correct in removing irrelevant content, no matter what that content is about instead.


Calistilaigh

Seriously, it's like making a post on a toaster oven subreddit because the guy owns a toaster oven, and saying he's giving a bad name to toaster oven owners. It sucks that this happened, but like, it has nothing to do with MTG.


_wormburner

More like if a toaster oven hobbyist started a podcast about toaster ovens, reviews, modifications, etc. And then was sponsored by some toaster oven manufacturers and many toaster oven industry people were also on the podcast. Not just a random who owns a toaster oven. It's reflective of and involves a large part of the community


Toys-R-Us_GiftCard

I'm sorry, I must have missed where WotC endorsed or directly worked with IHYD? Surely, this bastion of all that is MTG at least got a spoiler card or two. No? They were only "sponsored" by 3rd party companies that make \*\*\*checks notes\*\*\* card sleeves. They weren't "sponsored" by CK they had an affiliate link. I have an affiliate link, would you like one? IHYD was/is the antithesis of WotC. They were/are a gurrilla style show truely only sponsored by Cash Cards Untd. Someone (cash) has/had too much money, and a store to promote. Saw an opening in the ultra stale EDH youtube realm and started pumping some money into it. It worked wonderfully, top up and coming EDH channel pretty much overnight. It's like the toaster podcast being sponsored by an electrical cord supplier, or a cumb tray producer, or a toaster cleaning company; not the toaster oven company itself.


2Skulls

Read the post and be enlightened.


Velinian

What if I genuinely do not give a shit and don't go to Magic subreddits to read drama about a youtube channel I don't watch and don't have interesting in watching.


Anitek9

Yeah I have seen and read enough. Its not cool what happened. But everything has been said and now people have to decide how they going to deal with it. Are we forgiving mistakes like that after a certain amount of time? Is one apology enough? I fear we already have become the so called cancel culture where nuances and apologies and context doesn't matter anymore and where one mistake will certainly lead to you getting cancled. I hope we as a community/ society will deal more differentiated with such things in the future.


SlaterVJ

Good, I'm glad they keep removing them. This issue is NOT magic related. If you actually care about what happened, take it to a sub for that kind of posting. We come to these subs to discuss a game, not this. People on reddit cannot keep things to a single thread, and thus we get numerous threads about it to the point where people can't scroll reddit without seeing every post, or every other post from a particular sub reddit related to the exact same topic. I just want to scroll the EDH and magic sub reddits for MAGIC CONTENT, not this crap you guys will just move on from in like a week.


servarus

As much as I don't like the moderation, even I think that it is not related. The show has nothing to do with the issue. The person maybe but that is a stretch. I think that CK removal of him due to the issue is more related to MTG compared to the original issue and even then... eh.


Saptilladerky

Nobody is being censored. They are removing posts that are unrelated to mtg (as should be). However, they left up the post about Card Kingdom taking away sponsorship from IHYD (which is relevant). In said thread, you van find all the info you need. No reason to try and shame mods. They're just doing their jobs.


TabletopUnboxing

If you sift through the Card Kingdom thread you'll see the reasons why they have been removing posts in regard thus topic and yet when an objective viewpoint is being made they choose instead to remove it unlike the mods in this sub or any of the other mtg subs who have chosen their stance on the subject matter. Objectively speaking, Card Kingdom pulling away from IHYD is about as relevant as this post itself as it highlights similar points but is much more vague in the external link as it doesn't contain any references to back it up.


2Skulls

Those mods are the fucking worst, the most obvious shills for WoTC.


Toys-R-Us_GiftCard

How exactly does IHYD have anything to do with WotC? They were/are the antithesis of WotC. A gorilla style show that was quickly starting to take views away from thier actual youtube child, The Command Zone. If anything, WotC would be happy with this controversy. They'd be like "see, you should just watch our pre-screened, overseen, pre-approved, overproduced show that we ACTUALLY sponsor and contribute to".


serenedipsi

I have no idea whats going on. ElI5 the original scandal? I get mods being shady, but this is reddit.


MaccaNo1

A guy who runs a YouTube which started to get popular (though is still pretty small compared to many) used to be a filmdirector. He did something really shitty to an access around a nude scene a long time ago, this came out recently and he was shitty covering it up. Mods in the subreddit have taken the tack that it’s not magic related and told them to post on related subs, and deleted posts about it. op disagrees and calls them out. Some people agree with the mods, some people do not, drama ensues.


Spirited-Yoghurt3693

Oh I get it. So if a post gets removed just repost with indignant rage.


AppleWedge

I'm pretty new to Magic, and the response to this incident by mods as well as the response in this thread make me wanna just walk away. It is a cool game, but the community feels toxic. I've been part of other geek communities before (Competitive Smash, D&D, League of Legends), but I have not seen this same community response of aggressive ambivalence anywhere before... ​ In \*no other community\* would you get so many people saying "well technically this isn't related" when a community leader is involved in a scandal.


MirandaSanFrancisco

> D&D D&D has way more toxic grognards than Magic. They’re just mostly in the OSR community. Not that all of the OSR community is toxic, far from, but if you’re looking for grognards being toxic, that’s where to look.


sivarias

Also the entirety of LoL and most of the Competitive Smash scene.


swagner628

I wouldn't judge the MTG community by the subreddits, most players aren't as bad nor is their this much of an echo chamber irl. A lot of people just get lost in the sauce here.


sivarias

He's not a community leader. I've been playing MtG and EDH for over a decade. I watch an unhealthy amount of Youtube. I've never even heard of the guy. I had to dig into three different articles to find out who he even was, and another 2 articles to find out his connection to MtG. He did a shitty thing, and from what I can tell, he did a shitty thing a long time ago before he even got involved with MtG at all. He also did a shitty coverup job rather than coming clean. If people want to boycott him, do it. But that is something that would be better posted to the subreddit dedicated to watching his Youtube channel. Respectfully, what should I do? Post an angry post saying what a terrible person he is? Why does he care? Should I unsubscribe from his channel? I didn't even know his channel existed. What, specifically, is the action that you think should be taken by members of the community to make it not "aggressively ambivalent"? The fact that you claim the competitive Smash and LoL scenes are also somehow less toxic is also extremely hilarious.


AppleWedge

>I've been playing MtG and EDH for over a decade. I watch an unhealthy amount of Youtube. I've never even heard of the guy. I had to dig into three different articles to find out who he even was, and another 2 articles to find out his connection to MtG. This is wild to me, because as someone who is just starting out, I have seen this guy and his channel all over my youtube recommended. >Respectfully, what should I do? Post an angry post saying what a terrible person he is? Why does he care? Should I unsubscribe from his channel? I didn't even know his channel existed. This is not a call to action. You don't have to do anything... But posting "we don't care. Stop talking about it" (which is a sentiment you see all over this thread and threads like it) is worse than not commenting at all. It is actively discouraging the conversation, which is harmful to victims of abuse. >What, specifically, is the action that you think should be taken by members of the community to make it not "aggressively ambivalent"? To start, not actively shutting down conversation? I don't expect major action, but I am actually offended by people trying to silence conversation. That is what I mean by active ambivalence. >The fact that you claim the competitive Smash and LoL scenes are also somehow less toxic is also extremely hilarious. This is not a claim I ever made. Those communities can be just as if not more toxic. But you'll never see huge portions of the community (including community leaders like subreddit mods) actively trying to silence discourse on abusers and events. Again, that is what I meant by "aggressive ambivalence". During the smash abuse scandal involving the sky house, the overwhelming community response was "wow, this is fucked. Let's talk about this and raise awareness so it doesn't happen again". Here, I see people just saying "let's not talk about it. I don't care." That is the difference I'm talking about.


LethalVagabond

The people involved aren't WotC employees or members of the RC. They aren't elected by the community in any way or frankly even known to the majority of the community. Did you miss all the comments and upvotes here from people who've never even heard of IHYD? Being on a show that a small percentage of players of one format sometimes watch doesn't make Michael whatshisname a "community leader" in any sense whatsoever. Yeah, we're not thrilled to be smeared by implied association with some rando most of us have never heard of and aren't interested in being dragged into some drama that genuinely has nothing to do with us and distracts from the actual purpose of this space.


Toys-R-Us_GiftCard

A random, even if up and coming, youtube personality is not a "community leader" no matter how much a small fraction of the community wants to believe it so. A scandal involving community leaders would be Maro, or Gavin, or prominent members of the CAG. I'd argue that the Professor isn't even a "community leader". He has no offical place in the community. Just his own niche in the youtubeverse. At least he has gotten a spoiler before, unlike the (0) support IHYD has/had recieved from the mothership. WotC has always pretended IHYD doesn't exist. I wouldn't be surprised to find find out this pot was initially stirred by the WotC spoon to begin with.


jstropes

Multiple CAG members have appeared on IHYD though lol. That seems a lot like being a pretty prominent member of the community to me...


TabletopUnboxing

The lack of address and removal of posts is deeply saddening for sure. But that said, it is an amazing community overall and the ones that are toxic are very vocal about it like in most hobbies. That said, some of the kindest people I'm friends with are Magic players whom I met though our mutual love for the game. For sure, it is off putting as you said, but as you can see there's an overwhelming amount of intolerance to the actions that have taken place and we are actually able to make them accountable. Controversy aside, welcome to the hobby! If you're ever around Dublin feel free to give us a buzz and we can get some games in :)


Cellandning

I feel you. Luckily I started with playing with a friend-group. Magic will always be those friends and me, not this Subreddit where I've felt less then welcomed for being new sometimes.


[deleted]

Is this about Magic The Gathering?


foolshearme

it is about a popular MTG youtuber so yeah it is


sivarias

Is he? I've been subscribed to an unhealthy amount of Youtube content creation for 10 years now. I remember when the Command Zone was an audio only podcast. I remember watching The Proffessors Pauper exclusive coverage. I remember when Pleasant Konobi only did modern. I remember when Commanders Quarters built decks for $25 or less. It took me 3-4 articles to even find the guy and his connection to the MtG community.


LexMelkan

All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Kidding aside, Prof has been a frequent guest and had even handed his Kickstarter deckbox for this guy to check out. Sounds like you fell off the loop!


[deleted]

Oh so it's about a youtuber, not magic the gathering?


debid4716

People like to make connections beyond what they should. One post about it was probably enough.


[deleted]

More than enough I'd say


_benp_

No its not.


Coika

Jesus Christ, you guys have such an easy life in the US. I'd love to see some of the snowflakes try to make it in a third world country, where no1 gives 2 shits about your feelings. Just look at whats happening in Ukraine, if you want something to be outraged about. As far as this situation, please lady take some personal agency. If you're not into filming nude scenes, just say no and walk out. I'd understand if you've been physically restrained to do something you don't want, but this is obviously not the case. He offered to film a clothed version as well, but due to the time constraints wasn't able to do so, so this is what all the fuss is about? Please.. Let's take a comparison here: I'm a bus driver in a snowy mountain area. It's risky to drive in the winter, when the roads freeze, and being underdeveloped country, the maintenance is abhorrent. So when I call the dispatcher to tell him I'm not driving on the icy downhill, I get this: "Ow it's not that bad" "Others would do it" "Well it's your call, but people need to get to work". What do you guys think? Should I succumb to pressure and risk the lives of my passengers and my life, to drive a steep downhill with no control of a vehicle? I think thats what I'll do, and if we crash and I kill some of the passenger, I'll just go on the internet to complain about being pressured into it, without taking any responsibility, when in reality it was my decision to do something I will regret. get me downvoted, idgaf, just need to vent about this. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for getting the abusers in the jail, when the ladies were SA'ed or injured or worse, but this.... Bleech, grow a tougher skin or gtfo of the business.


TabletopUnboxing

She gave her stance towards the subject of being nude and MDL took it upon himself to disrespect and pressure her into doing something she did not want to do. As you said, she had the option to walk away, but was assured by him whom she trusted that she would get final say on how her body is to be portrayed. I don't think you quite understand how intimidating and manipulative people can be when they can get away with it so to say it was as easy as walking out on a project is ignorant at best. I'm also not too sure about your analogy but a better representation would be that she's driving the bus (doing her job) but is told to take a more dangerous route by her boss (MDL forcing her to do what he wants) so while the end result is the same the latter was unnecessary because all it did was add unnecessary stress to the driver and they being professional will want to finish what they started. I also love the references to me being a snowflake, 3rd world countries and about the Ukraine situation. Its all so funny because: 1) I'm a first generation immigrant from Vietnam living in Ireland so not an American first of all. I grew up dirt poor, treated like crap because of my heritage and literally been to real life sweatshops. Having witnessed actual conditions in a 3rd world country and been the subject to racism I can assure you that I'm not a snowflake, I'm just allergic to assholes. 2) I'm pretty active and up to date on world events but especially with the people in Ukraine as I relate highly to coming to a new country you know nothing about because your old one is currently a fuckfest. Which is why I've donated my last paycheck and have done 2 fundraisers in the last 2 weeks to support them. Honestly man, it's not about having thick skin it's about standing up for what's right and what you believe in. That's why I will respect your right to an opinion but I vehemently disagree.


Coika

step 1: be informed movie has a nude scene step 2: choose to proceed step 3: the employer has the nude scene in the final cut step 4: "Hey, that's not fair" ??? I really don't think theres more to this story than those 4 steps. As you said - she got a final say on how to display her body, and she choose to reveal it. If she regrets it - sorry but not sorry, try to learn from that experience instead of chasing metoo clout.


TabletopUnboxing

Actually, what was said was that the employer told her that she gets final say no questions asked so she agreed to at least film it despite being against it. Employer instead decided to emotionally blackmail her to try her to get her consent. He then calls her up saying that "guys gave me your number because they wanted to f*ck you" which is highly inappropriate and him trying to coax her into giving consent despite saying no. I don't want you to be sorry nor am asking to say you're sorry. But how about you stop trying to justify/normalise this or treat it as anything other than bullying and abuse?


Coika

Ok, you're making it seem like she is too dumb to realize that the only reason to shot the nude scene is because - it's gonna be in the final cut. Why would you even shoot the scene thats not gonna be in the movie? I refuse to believe someone is that stupid yoo wtf I agree, the comments about f\*cking are unprofessional and in poor taste though, I'd be weirded out by that for sure. Edit: but then again, I've seen IHYD videos and Lynch can be super awkward and uncomfortable with some of his jokes (which is kinda hilarious). Without actually being there, I can't tell in which context and manner these comments were made. Especially if she is really selfconscious about her body, his attempts of reassurance and emotional support can probably be misinterpreted as awkward and even sexist. Unprompted sexual innuendos can sometimes be hilarious, but sometimes you gotta read the room lol


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TabletopUnboxing

Good bot


TeratusCZ

Right now you are being snowflake. Everyone has their own problems and you cant really measure “intensity” of problem. Your problems might be seen as bullshit by someone else.


JadsiaDax

You spent all this time posting a huge post and I literally have no idea what you are talking about.


Alikaoz

The current post works well enough. For people that didn't care to check a show with the word "hate" in the name whose only headlines came from celebrity guests and so far 2 incidents of shitty people being in charge, I believe it's enough.


mong0038

I was really enjoying the IHYD discord but I don't feel right supporting it anymore. Are there alternatives? I tried PlayEDH for finding games but that was less than enjoyable. Their rule 0 talk is non existent.


Laziestest

I wonder what would happen to Lynch's channel now... think a lot of people unsubbed lol


peenpeenpeen

According to social blade, the channel has not seen much of a hit and is still on a growth trajectory. I don’t think the fans of the channel along with the greater EDH fan base much cares.


WonkyWombat12

Dogshit subreddit, I don’t know why anyone still uses it


Fictionarious

I don't join (or condone) witch hunts, sorry.


TabletopUnboxing

This isn't a witch hunt. Witches don't exist and the entire term was coined because *innocent* people got convincted without a fair trial. This is quite literally an objective look with references to back up my points.


D5LR

> Everyone knows what IHYD is, everyone knows what's happened in the last few days and everyone knows how damning the things she is saying is. I don't. or didn't until now. According to the mods: > What's happening now is that posts that put in the effort to explain in the post how this is related to Magic stay up. Ones that just present out-of-context commentary get removed. I support this. I don't come here for non-mtg content. I don't care for it. If someone does something illegal, take it to the cops. If an employee has a dispute with their employer, that's their problem. If I'm interested in that drama I'll look for a related sub. As far as I'm concerned though, the shit that's happened here is on the periphery of mtg and unrelated to almost every aspect and facet of the game. If you're going to call out everyone for their behaviour then your list will be long and there will be nothing to discuss here except those people. There was literally a post the other day about the number of people that play mtg in prison. While what happened here is bad (I presume) it is up to the individuals involved to figure out how to pursue the issue, their employers in so far as they are effected by it, and legal professionals. This kangaroo court bullshit is unfair to everyone and completely off topic. Stick to EDH.


RichyTreehouse

I’m so glad MDL and IHYD is gone. I can’t wait for that Football player and Post Malone to get exposed to. Magic isn’t for people like them.


DefiantTheLion

Magics for players, not predators. Until Post Malone or the football player are eXpOseD, you can fuck off.


Aegis_001

Gatekeeping isn’t a good look, I prefer having more people to play with than having less


Doombolt69

Magic definitely isn't for people like you


RichyTreehouse

Just say you’re a sexist MDL defender. Jesus Christ, dude.


CaelThavain

*Say the dumbest shit possible speedrun*


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The_Mormonator_

We've removed your post because it violates our primary rule, "Be Excellent to Each Other". You are welcome to message the mods if you need further explanation.


FiddlerMTG

Magic is for anyone who isn’t a massive shithead, which rules you out, mate. Don’t forget your fedora and Cheetos on your way out.


Dariandds

Hey, hey. He can take his shitty hat. He leaves the cheetos.


jrdineen114

...and just who is Magic for? Because I don't think it's up to you to make that call. MDL is definitely a terrible person, but claiming that magic isn't for some people doesn't exactly make the community look like a good place.


Gado_DeLeone

Oof bad take. Try not to gatekeep a great hobby.


EasySchneezy

Guilty until proven innocent. Way to go.


50_Shades_of_Graves

You like gatekeeping because it keeps out pop culture figures and players who love the game. I like gatekeeping because it keeps out IHYD and MDL We are not the same.


SimplyJustKarma

"People like them"? Who the fuck are you to gatekeep?


sivarias

MDL?


MaccaNo1

The guy this post is talking about I believe.