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Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom is underrated

Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom is underrated

idonthaveanaccountA

Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.


EXOTICMECH

The last sentence was right


idonthaveanaccountA

Lemme check. Edit: Yeah, i'm not so sure about that either personally.


Prs_mira86

Everyone has their own right to love whatever movie they want. Having said that: saying people who criticized the movie didn’t watch it is pure nonsense. I have every right to dislike it. The movie just didn’t do it for me. Essentially it was a worse version of the lost world.


idonthaveanaccountA

I mean...yes, but... >saying people who criticized the movie didn’t watch it is pure nonsense. ...did anyone say this here?


Prs_mira86

Sorry, I was simply agreeing with your reply to the OP. I didn’t realize i was replying to you lol. That is all.


idonthaveanaccountA

Yeah, i wasn't confronting you or anything, i was just confused. I haven't read that post in a week, so i didn't remember that "argument".


Minecraft_Warrior

LIAR!


idonthaveanaccountA

I mean...


Demon_Carnotaurus

The set-up was bogus. It struggled to incorporate its A-lister. The villain stuff was pure nonsense. The cloning subplot served very little purpose. The escape scenes were way too implausible. It's completely disjointed. It fails to court nostalgia. It uses the T-rex Machina trend again. It's just very derivative. Ankylosaurus sold for 10 million dollars. Some fossils are worth more than that! How the hell did Chris Pratt not get fried in a flipping pyroclastic surge?! So much for bulletproof gyrospheres. And dude, they were underwater and a weaker gun was used.


RealRagnarTheRed

Also Who the hell is loockwood and what was he doing since the 90s? Weaponized dinos are trash. Unleashing 100 million dino hybrid when in laser pointer range. A 10 cent bullet should do the job. Also, in battle at big rock a little girl establishes as canon that you can repel an allo with a CROSSBOW. Human cloning is now canon. The implications of that!Doesn't seem a thing that you could sweep under the rug for the next movie.


Minecraft_Warrior

It's a prototype the gun is a last resort if the Indoraptor didn't do anything. In Battle of Big Rock, the Allo walked away the humans didn't do anything.


RealRagnarTheRed

Sorry I'm late but I clearly remember the allo taking a couple of bolts to the face


Skulltcarretilla

All of the above are true, but the thing that hurts me the most is how little importance is given to the destruction of THE ORIGINAL PARK. Like, we should at least have visited some more og locations like in JP: The Game


Celticpenguin85

Would've been nice if the locations we saw were accurate too. So we see the car but where's the tree and wall? And yeah the destruction of Isla Nublar was treated as an afterthought.


ROUGE_BLOCK

Sums it up, worst of the franchise by a long shot.


VelVoxel_Raptor

I liked it as well, though as other people mentioned, it kind of switched gears half way through the movie. It was “save the dinosaurs”, and then it switched over to horror with the indoraptor. Thigh I feel this might be an AOU type deal. A lot of set up for the next one. So maybe in time things will change.


Demon_Carnotaurus

Noone at all: The dinosaurs are amazing creatures that should be saved! Ack! Horrible monsters! Kill it! Kill it!


methheadpigeon

First off, these movies shouldn't be anywhere in the same sentence as a "Disney Movie." Second, everything about this movie wash trash, minus the opening scene. As well as the cgi. The characters are cardboard cut outs. The movie is one of the laziest in the franchise. It's pure nonsense. They needed to destroy the island in some way, so that we could finally move on. But seriously? Building a park on an active volcano? Seriously?


Curious_MerpBorb

The volcano was always there it was just dormant for most of the time. It was always mention in Jurassic Park media even during the book as they use the volcano for geothermal power. But I'm not defending the Fallen Kingdom by the way. I think that movie was miserable. Like all that hype was just disapointing.


Minecraft_Warrior

Ok, either you're just venting or you didn't even see the trailers. Jurassic World had amazing CGI that holds up from 2015 to today. And last I checked, every movie Modern Disney made was overly lazy and idiotic. You're telling me the evolution of a workaholic woman who cares more about business than living creatures evolving into an activist is worst than REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY Palpatine and the all bland characters into the modern lion king?


methheadpigeon

Again, why is Jurassic Park/World getting pushed in to a Disney movie by yourself? I have no idea what the rest if your comment is supposed to be about either.


Minecraft_Warrior

cause you said it should me near "disney movie" when I'm explaining how the characters are better than the ones in disney


methheadpigeon

No I didn't say that. At all. JP and any Disney movie aren't comparable. So it's senseless to put them in the same sentence.


Some_Majestic_Pasta

You can have your opinion of the movie itself but saying that any criticism is invalid is just really ignorant and an awful way to consume your entertainment. It's ok for things to have flaws but still be enjoyable. Hell, the first JP has flaws but it's my #1 movie of all time. Acknowledging where art could be better helps the creators to be even better and can help you with your own art to not repeat the mistakes that you've seen.


Rubyrooandrosietoo

Anthropomorphism of the dinosaurs was my biggest issue with it. Maybe I’m just old school and prefer animatronics etc but the slightly jerky movement and also NOT SEEING the dinos was what made the older films scary. Because they’re creepy as hell when you finally do see them. The cold open with the mosasaur in FK was pretty good in that respect, but giving human characteristics to a semi-wild animal (even Blue) is just unrealistic. Though I suppose that’s more for the kids. Reptiles/birds etc do not smile. That’s a human thing. Unless they really did put human DNA in there... *dundundun*


Mongoose_Mundane

Well, if you say so, then you shouldn’t like the first Jurassic World either, cause it’s even more unrealistic than Fallen Kingdom. And if you’re talking of childish movies, Jurassic World is certainly one of them. Surely more childish than Fallen Kingdom.


Rubyrooandrosietoo

I thought JW was...okay. The sequels are missing something for me and I’m not entirely sure what it is. And a lot of the time its like watching bad fanfiction. They are fun movies if you dont think too much about them


Mongoose_Mundane

I think Jurassic World is much more unrealistic than FK. There are certain elements such as the park, the dinosaurs, the dialogues, the ACU that are almost near to ridiculousness. I mean, Jurassic Park, is a science fiction movie, but what makes it believable is the fact that everything other than the dinosaurs remains grounded to reality. In Jurassic World instead, everything seems to be flat, because you see this huge park full of gyrospheres, holographic dinosaurs, hybrid dinosaurs, that are completely the opposite of that old Jurassic vibe we know and love.


EXOTICMECH

How is it more childish?


Mongoose_Mundane

Well it’s very family friendly for sure. And with the word “childish” I meant that these new movies lack the scientific approach the first three had. Instead they are full of bombastic, over the top, action hero moments that are unnecessary to say the least.


EXOTICMECH

True


Minecraft_Warrior

It's a combo of many different animals, it's not too far fetched to say that they put in dog or human DNA in there


Rubyrooandrosietoo

Yes who knows what Dr Wu really got up to...


DumbBitchJuice541

I agree with you EXCEPT they're meant to be Theme Park attractions, so would make sense if Friendliness was an exaggerated feature given to them.


unplugged22

I enjoy some of the direction, cinematography, score choices, and animatronics. But the script, pacing, inconsistent tone, and goofy cartoon characterizations nearly kill it for me.


AllAfterIncinerators

r/confidentlyincorrect


Minecraft_Warrior

remove the "in" and it makes sense


Black-Hood20

I remember watching it in the theater and leaving extremely disappointed. When I got it on blu ray and rewatched it a second time, it wasn’t as bad as I had thought. Since then I’ve watched it at least 5 or 6 times and each time it gets better and better. Idk why but I really like it now. Very enjoyable


MarcLeStrange

I appreciated it more with multiple viewings as well. Really disappointed the first time.


DrCardboardBox69

Man same here, so disappointed when I first saw it but after each additional watch I grew to appreciate it more and more. The cinematography in it is incredible imo


Exploranaut

I vehemently disagree, but respect your opinion.


RChallenge

And I exuberantly agree with your disagreement. FK was a disaster.


Minecraft_Warrior

:)


William_Delatour

The terrible characters and acting are the biggest problems with the reboots.


Minecraft_Warrior

Acting? What do you mean? Chris Pratt is awesome


William_Delatour

I love Chris Pratt, but he’s pretty weak in this franchise. He’s trying to play a tough guy in the first one and talking weird. He just needs to be himself. In the second he is better but still a lot of awkward scenes.


Minecraft_Warrior

I get what you mean, all his roles revolve around comedy, Jurassic World and the JP franchise, in general, is a horror-thriller type franchise, and while he has dealt with serious movies before this does make sense. I do still feel like he carried the last movie


Minecraft_Warrior

I do get what you mean, Jurassic World is a very mature and violent franchise, all his best roles revolve around comedies like \- Guardians of the Galaxy \- Lego movie \- Parks and Rect It does seem a little off, but I think he sold it as a war veteran/animal trainer and basically carried the last movie


redrum-237

Amazing characters is the only thing I do not agree with. Franklin, Zia, Wheatley, and others just seemed too cartoony for the JP universe. But other than that, I totally agree, the storyline was great, it looked amazing, the set pieces were very well made, the dinos looked great. It's a great JP movie.


Celticpenguin85

The storyline was awful. The whole "weaponized dinosaur" thing is so mind-numbingly stupid it ruins the entire movie. It's like the kind of idea Dr. Evil would come up with.


___TheDudeAbides___

“Dinosaurs with freaking laser beams on their heads” -Dr. Evil


redrum-237

Animals have been weaponized for centuries. If dinosaurs existed I'm sure it would be tried too. But the movie agrees with you, actually, the whole point of it is that trying to weaponize dinosaurs is stupid and would fail.


Celticpenguin85

People stopped using horses and elephants in warfare when we created tanks. In an age where the military uses satellites and unmanned drones, militarizing dinosaurs would be like training an army of monkies to fight in Afghanistan.


redrum-237

Dogs are still used for war. I don't think a monkey is particularly similar to the Indoraptor.


Celticpenguin85

Dogs aren't used on the battlefield. Why would anyone want to use dinosaurs in a war?


redrum-237

Military dogs are still used in warfare in the middle east. Why would rich and stupid criminals want to use a creature engieneered specifically to be used in war in a war? Oh, I dunno.


Celticpenguin85

Sure to sniff out bombs or whatever. They're not "replacing boots on the ground" like they claim dinosaurs were going to do in these movies. Yes, why would anyone spend millions of dollars to genetically-engineer dinosaurs to use in war? What purpose could they possibly serve? Why would you think they would be effective? They need to eat and sleep. They would have no concept of what guns and bombs are and would get shot or blown up almost immediately. I don't know how better to explain that this guy: https://youtu.be/\_YY8OgxKUlg?t=1998


redrum-237

Do you hate all the 90s Jurassic Park comics too?


Celticpenguin85

Didn't read them.


wallz_11

The problem for me is they went full action movie. Felt like watching mission impossible with dinos. I enjoyed JW much more


Galaxy_Megatron

>Literally, all the criticisms against it were made by people who didn't watch it or paid attention. Well, when you open like that, are you really open to discussion or do you want this to be an echo thread?


Demon_Carnotaurus

When someone says "all the criticisms against it were made by people who didn't watch it or paid attention" it makes me think that they themselves did not pay very much attention.


Minecraft_Warrior

Open discussion cause I’ve seen a few videos and most of them had invalid criticism


Galaxy_Megatron

Ah, OK! In that case, I do think Fallen Kingdom is overly hated, but there are valid criticisms. The writing of the World entries in general has been a little weak, particularly in the character department. The fact that so much additional lore was added through the websites instead of being explained in the film is a bit of a problem IMO. All of Claire's character development happened off-screen in between JW and JWFK, and Owen has largely remained the same static character (which isn't always bad, but still). Trevorrow took the exaggerated outcry over Zara's death and went in the total opposite direction, making it so only the bad guys were in any danger of dying, which sucked out a lot of tension. Confining the film to the Lockwood estate for half of it was also boring to me, and left a lot on the table in terms of allowing the Indoraptor to explore and shine in different environments like Indominus and Scorpios got. I didn't even mind the human cloning or Benjamin Lockwood inclusion that much, but they felt rushed and underdeveloped. I never thought I would leave a Jurassic film feeling entirely underwhelmed and not hopeful for the future, but JWFK did that to me. I was so hyped from the trailers and it didn't live up to that hype in the slightest. It felt like a bridge to what Trevorrow *really* wanted to do after JW. I like everything up until they leave the island, and of course the film is visually amazing, but that's it. I just...didn't care for this one. It's my least liked entry by far. If someone else loves it, more power to them. I love JP3 even though it's got the most vocal dislike from the fans as far as I've seen.


Minecraft_Warrior

I'd give it a 70% or 60% on ratings, the characters do seem weak, but they have a better storyline than most of what Disney has cooked up today. And the Indoraptor had more life than most human actors


GruntRule62

People like you are really annoying you pick at something someone said to justify that what he’s saying is wrong and will not elaborate


Galaxy_Megatron

That sounds like you.


GruntRule62

How please elaborate


RChallenge

This is like someone bring up the spino vs rex debate. Prepare for a riot in the comments!


Minecraft_Warrior

it's not so bad now


RChallenge

Give it time.


Minecraft_Warrior

it really didn't happen


RChallenge

Well, the riot didn't happen, that's for sure. Maybe more of a spirited protest?


DumbBitchJuice541

I think it's properly rated and gets the praise and criticism it deserves. I'll say that I think the First 10 minutes may be one of my favorite set pieces in the entire franchise. Used to be 1.) T-Rex Breakout from JP1 2.) Final Main Street Fight JW 3.) Trailer Destruction/Cliff Scene TLW 4.) The Spino Introduction JP3 But Fallen Kingdom Intro goes between 1 & 2


MarcLeStrange

I really really liked Jurassic World, and I’ve seen Fallen Kingdom 3 or 4 times now but I can’t honestly say it’s a “good” movie but it has some thrilling scenes and pretty horrific moments. People know I’m obsessed with the Jurassic franchise so when they ask me how that one is they can tell by the look on my face it mustn’t be very good. I’ve warmed up to it the last time I watched it though. My feeling is that the first half has some interesting stuff in it and it moves very fast. The part where they’re trapped in the sinking gyrosphere is a fantastic scene! the plot line that the island is going to be destroyed in a volcano and action must be taken is also a really good idea. I never would’ve thought of that. I also like the idea of the dinosaur protection group. I’m an animal rights activist myself so I appreciate that. The second half of the movie, to me, is just really dark and hard to watch. I think it suffers from on-the-nose writing, and it’s pretty over-the-top in a cartoony way at times. Whenever the villains are around it suddenly feels like it could be in Camp Cretaceous. They’re All very stock, cartoony villains. There are some really good moments and ideas in the second half though. I don’t think I’ll ever forget the image of the Indoraptor swallowing Buffalo Bill’s arm out of my mind. That whole scene was very effective, even though you knew that guy was gonna die the second you saw walking around like the village idiot ranting about his bonus. That said, when they introduced the indoraptor my eyes rolled back into my head. It couldn’t be any more derivative if they tried. It was a really creepy monster but come on. Why is there a monster in a dinosaur movie? I’d rather see them face off against an actual dinosaur instead of repeating what was successful in the first movie. TLDR: It has some genuinely thrilling stuff in it but it’s not the best. After the first one, these movies have been hit and miss, and we all know that.


General_PoopyPants

What's the point of the laser training though? If you're already pointing the gun at someone you could just shoot


Minecraft_Warrior

it's a prototype, the gun is a fail-safe if it couldn't kill


General_PoopyPants

It's dumb


mamabird2020

The kids should not have had their separate storyline arc. Basically all kids in JP movies should be accompanied by an adult for the sake of the viewer.


Minecraft_Warrior

Quiet Place: I'm going to stop you right there


mamabird2020

I actually really liked the Quiet Place because they are battling an unknown alien species as a family. The appeal (at least for me) is the ethics and science behind JP not just the dinosaurs. Kids just running and screaming add nothing to plot or to terror in JP because you know they aren’t going to die.


Pindeh

Oh this comment section will not end well


DiamondbitchKillz

It's not a bad movie. It just doesn't live up to the others.


OpenUpYerMurderEyes

The script is god awful but people who say it sucks are cringey Doug Walker/Cinemasins type guys who think a movie is a script and if the script sucked very thing else sucks as if film isn't a visual medium, it has the best direction in the franchise besides Spielberg's.


Minecraft_Warrior

It’s funny cause while the script was bad , but the novelization is nice


AllSaintsDay2099

Everyone on this sub: man I hate fallen kingdom, also can we get novel themes and a tv show ? Based on the novel? When Fallen Kingdom was easily the second best in the entire franchise. Besides, The Lost World. And if any of you dad's with your dad bods or 14 year olds new to the FRANCHISE can't take it as fact. And want to argue. With literal facts. Then let's take it outside. Fallen Kingdom is A M A Z I N G And I'm tired of proving to crusty old dad's why it is. It has what the sub demands in droves but also has the hate of everyone in this sub. Like are you guys that dumb?


DarthZarcosousV2

I mainly dislike how stupid some of the characters acted. Exhibit A: when one of his men is attacked by blue the merc justifiably defends himself by shooting her and Owen has the nerve to get made at Wheatley for his man doing what anyone would’ve done in that scenario. Exhibit B: Wheatley going Into the indoraptor’s cage to get a tooth and not securing the cage door (even though the door moved on it’s own he basically locked himself In there with it) Edit: Other than that I mostly agree with OP.


Minecraft_Warrior

Wheatley is meant to be an idiot, he is cocky and doesn't think straight. Which is why he shoot at the Indoraptor


Evanuss

It's alright


1random_redditor

Indoraptor was disappointing but at least he killed Wheatley and had some awesome music with his auction scene and the rooftop.


JoyousFox

Much of the fandom are too harshly critical in a series where all the films have been passable to perfect. Fallen Kingdom seems to upset a subset of fans who possibly haven't read the books. FK is almost a direct sequel to the first film in a way in that it's the only sequel to have the balls to actually move forward with the concepts and ideas the books put forth about the trajectory of future events. All the other fims for better or worse are just sort of milking the basic concept. Fallen Kingdom actually wants to go somewhere new. Its never made sense to me how people complain that JP 3 is just a string of chase scenes yet throw a tantrum when they actually do something new.


JinimyCritic

Maybe, but I've read the books, multiple times, and I really didn't like the film. To each their own.


Demon_Carnotaurus

Rex fanboys really annoy me.


bttrflyr

I loved it! Thought it is a great addition to the franchise and amazing visuals too!


theSchiller

Truth. Really fun movie with some great set pieces and a scary horror vibe


gayAF01

I actually agree with you. Of course it’s not as good as Jurassic Park, but that movie set the bar really high. I liked the direction they took the plot in too, you can only do Escape From Dinosaur Island so many times.


CalebBROmbs

I’m aware of its flaws and I do get why people don’t like it but for me it was a fun ride with cool concepts (however unrealistic, I don’t care) and built on the theme of “the dinosaurs aren’t monsters, they’re animals, and it’s actually humanity & its greed driven desire to manipulate & profit off of those animals that is REALLY monstrous” that the original franchise set in motion & that this new franchise has taken to another level. The movie did a wonderful job of reminding you that you actually do care what happens to the dinosaurs (the brachiosaurus scene still gets me every single time I watch it) & the climax when the toxic gas is filling up the compound before breaking the tension with the dinosaurs’ release really, really brought that home for me. I don’t know, I’ve honestly been able to enjoy every single Jurassic movie thoroughly no matter how flawed they’ve been & Fallen Kingdom was no exception. I think it stands along side the others just fine & I still love to rewatch it.


Loose_Wrongdoer3611

Its better than JP 3 but thats not saying much


EXOTICMECH

Dont insult JP 3 like that


Loose_Wrongdoer3611

Shitty movie


EXOTICMECH

G A S P


Minecraft_Warrior

All the jp movies rock even JP 3!


JoImazkie94

My 2 cents: I love FK. I like the ride, but I love more where it gets us to. With that said, there are some problems in this film and definitely could have done more (like the rumored indoraptor shock scene that would have given context to the smile). Still there's are a lot pf criticism of the film that do come from not paying attention or just wanting to blindly hate the film and any ideas it presents.


Ankylowright

I’m personally happy with a Jurassic film entry of any kind though I would rate Fallen Kingdom as the weakest entry so far. Some of the comments mentioned the characters were weak etc but some I really enjoyed. I loved Franklin. I would behave likely the exact same way if I ended up in that situation. Especially the end when they ask if he’s good and he squeaks out “no” like he’s going to have nightmares for the rest of his life. What I didn’t like about it was the inconsistent pacing and the monster movie vibe once the indoraptor was introduced and the dinos being so heavily anthropomorphized. Also, how they all over explained everything. Pretty sure everyone figured out about Maisie but they had to explain it. And the whole “she needs a mother” part too. Or maybe just the stupid decisions some characters make (indoraptor cage, Maisie hiding under her blankets…) I rewatch all the films frequently (more frequently than I care to admit) and I think JWFK is the weakest entry but mainly because it lost the vibe of the other movies. I always viewed the other films as suspense adventure films where the safari animals are super deadly. Ian Malcolm “Where you're going is the only place on earth where the geese chase you.” I live in Canada so I know that’s kind of a lie but gets the point across. JWFK was a monster movie but some of the monsters were good guys kinda. Just felt a little odd. Overall still an enjoyable flick. And agreed, every character had more personality than the new Disney.