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timasticore

If never on bottom button then why does it exist?!


THE_GHOST-23

Because some fat ass king thousands of years ago couldn’t button his bottom button and now we all do it out of tradition.


Masta-Pasta

well, "thousands" is a bit of a stretch... just like he stretched that jacket lmao


thattrekkie

[more like a little over 100 years](https://www.businessinsider.com/suit-button-rules-bottom-top-2017-3)


PlankLengthIsNull

*A million-billion centuries in the past*


Silent-Ad934

Four-score and before your mom was born-ago


GetzAdam

Four-score and before your mom was *a whore


EndOfSouls

"EONS AGO!" -Nines


PaperGabriel

Oohhh nice


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TurntWaga

I thought this was a joke but TIL.


Mouthshitter

Fuck this royalist tradition im doing my 3rd button from now on


Akmuq

Yeah will remember every time to flex on that fat prick.


Bloodymike

TIL I’m “really fat”


Bukkake_Monster

Yeah, it's amazing that back than he was considered abnormally fat


SyNiiCaL

Not even that long ago, look back to The Simpsons, S07E07 King Size Homer from 1995, the premise of the episode is that Homer wants to get SO INSANELY FAT that he can be considered disabled and force the power plant to let him work from home. The level of "Insane weight so as to be considered disabled" was....300lbs.


BJJthrowTFaway14

I mean he's clearly obese. Fat people being the norm is 100% a modern phenomena. It used to just be an American thing but now it's spreading. If you went back to his day and told him that poor people in the future are so fat that they die from gluttony diseases he'd be like, "WTF are you wearing?"


skyfucker6

Whatever the fuck I just read can we please make it stop now


Iamthewilrus

Honestly we should just put a stop to suits as the end-all be-all of "formal attire", silly antiquated rules and all.


greyjungle

So once again, the blame is on colonizers. I’m only buttoning the bottom button from now on.


Rsm1719

A long long time ago, on a galaxy…right here actually… BUTTON WARS Cuz we all know if he did up that button, that button would fly off faster then a bullet


bastion72

Fetch me the plate stretcher.


Tarukun564

That’s why people stand for the Hallelujah Chorus. King George II stood during it, but no one really knows why. I like the theory that he had gas. Now everyone has to stand up in the middle of a concert because of fartin George.


russtuna

I didn't once and people thought I was crazy disrespectful but I stood up all day at work and just didn't have it in me that day.


Superstar317

Bring me my jacket stretcher!


TheBlinja

You'd think a king could afford a properly fitting suit or armor.


nipplesandtoes12

3rd buttons, on an open field!


UndyingQuasar

Tradition is only peer pressure from the dead


TrollintheMitten

This stopped me in my tracks. Spot on and well said. Please, someone award this quasar!


SmiralePas1907

I button it because I can, fuck the king


Whuup_Bumbuul

That fatass ruined suits for me in that case. As a skinny guy, it's hard to look anything but disheveled without the bottom button. You'll get called out on it regardless so might as well conform and leave it. FYI, since unbuttoning the bottom is an anglo-american invention we shouldn't really act like this chart is universal law


Gynther477

Wear it with pride. A man in a suit is hot. A man in a suit who has a personal touch to his style and doesn't conform blindly to fashion trends is extremely hot.


-Vagabond

It’s not the button it’s the suit then. You need a different cut or smaller/skinnier suit. The suit is cut to sit without the bottom buttoned so it won’t sit right if it is.


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Hitman7065

Well it was the hardest button to button *I wonder if anyone will get that reference*


kdthex01

Yeah this is a bullshit tradition. Having your shirt and tie peek out of the bottom of your jacket looks sloppy and I’ll die on that hill.


curler5885

If we took away the bottom button. Then the next button up would be the bottom button. And we NEVER button the bottom button, so we have to take that one away. Next thing you know, no buttons.


carlton_sand

the next beltless trench coat


c_ray25

The executive?


kitty-committee

I HAD TO BREAK DA WINDAH


queernhighonblugrass

You have to jiggle the handle!


kitty-committee

I JIGGLED


geardownson

I have no idea where this come from but I applaud your boldness.


MoonUnitMotion

Seinfeld


PlankLengthIsNull

Is this the future you wanted?! *Is this the fashion statement you wanted to make?!* ***WAS IT ALL WORTH IT?!***


Frakshaw

Well, two-button suits *do* exist


Clockwork_Firefly

They do, but the button they drop is the “sometimes” button, not the “never” button. Just like in a 3-button suit, two-button suits are made intending for the bottom button to never be used


Nyck2

How do I make this known that this is the best thing I’ve ever read?


kashuntr188

A previous response you got is correct. A king wasn't able to button up the last one because his gut was too big. Some say it is out of respect that the other nobles decided not to button their 3d button up, but really, if the KING can't do it...are you a lowly noble gonna flex on that in front of him? Lots of weird fashion comes from the royal courts around the world. An example is the feet binding in China. It came about because one of the Emperors really loved his concubine that walked a little weird. The other concubines, thought if they could walk weird, the king would love them too. One thing led to another, and it became foot binding which causes you to walk weird.


Sean9931

Sometimes the King wouldn't even mind and notice the nuance, but once the first person doesn't do it out of respect, monkey see monkey do and now we do too


Dizmn

King George II had gout, so sitting for long periods of time was uncomfortable for him. When Handel's Messiah dragged on for two hours, George had to stand up near the end to ease the discomfort. Now, ~275 years later, if you attend the orchestra, everyone still stands for the Hallelujah Chorus. Because a king had gout.


Anarcie

As a gout sufferer, this can't be true. The last thing I want to do during an attack is stand!


Roflkopt3r

And that's why we raised our younger generations to question bullshit rather than go along with it. If a tradition can't provide a better reason than something this stupid, it's just not worth keeping. Even if it's seemingly harmless like this one, it still causes some people to be oddly hostile each other about this arbitrary crap and is used as a tool of mindless classism.


purplepenguin4163

Traditions are just peer pressure from dead people


heelstoo

Oh, living people definitively like to peer pressure tradition on us, too.


Potatolantern

> Lots of weird fashion comes from the royal courts around the world. Or, most famously, the Spanish lisp.


JabbaThePrincess

That's [a myth.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonological_history_of_Spanish_coronal_fricatives?wprov=sfla1)


Cerpin-Taxt

In addition to the king thing, because you're expected to not use the bottom button suit jackets are now cut with that in mind, so if you did use it the jacket would be uncomfortable and hang weird.


TheCreedsAssassin

Lots of fashion forward companies are just making single button jackets and they look really good for skinnier people


NimrodJM

Exactly! Came here to say why the fuck is that button there if it’s not supposed to be used? Fashion people are such morons!


wayward_citizen

It's a small "class test" bullshit invented by rich assholes to see what economic class you belong to. There are many such tests, so many that you will inevitably fail at one or another. It's similar to judging someone by their shoes, or phone, dietary habits, behavior at restaurants etc.


L1Wanderer

If someone has bad behavior with the wait staff at a restaurant I totally judge them. Judge them right to hell.


wayward_citizen

I meant more like, if someone has grown up poor they may not be familiar with how "fine" dining works. Like, a restaurant brings you warm towels and you don't know what they're for. I was scoffed at for not being knowing what compote was the first time I saw the term and didn't know how to pronounce it. There was a radio show where a woman gave a story of growing up poor and describes the first time in her 20s that she was asked how she wanted her burger cooked at a restaurant and it confused her, but all her middle class friends had already had that knowledge. There are a myriad of life experiences, some times innocuous, that divide the classes, that are taken for granted by those who lived them growing up but stick out when they notice the abscence in others. Often, those differences are purposefully cultivated by the upper class to further divide them from those below, and it only gets worse the further up you go. This stupid button "rule" is one of those things. It's arbitrary and nonsensical, but there are those who know and those who don't and that's why it's considered important.


Frank_Bigelow

I'm very happy to always wear clean, presentable, and polished black work boots with my suits, in part so those types pick up on my "fuck you" before they get started on their own.


unsteadied

I hope the rest of your outfit is well-fitted and appropriate level of formal to match the boots, otherwise they’ll look ridiculous.


dzumdang

I break this rule all the time. Maybe because I'm too thin?


Zaintiraris

Came here for this comment. Fuck it. I paid for it, I'll button it.


GetsGold

Almost makes that extra button seem incredibly stupid.


pursuitofleisure

It's just a tradition started because a king was too fat for his suits


The-Great-T

I'm not going to be peer-pressured by some fat, dead, royal bastard.


GetOutOfTheWhey

Thanks I am using this. I have a busy body sister and this is a perfect response to her if I show up in a suit with all buttons on.


The-Great-T

Cheers.


TheNewOneIsWorse

Suit coats are cut to have the two sides hang in a way that doesn’t work if the bottom button is done up. Just looks bunchy, don’t do it.


cubano_exhilo

They make the suits this way because of the tradition. Im sure we could make suits where you could button the bottom button and it looks good. But nobody makes suits like that.


cyclemonster

[They're called double-breasted suits](https://www.lktailor.com/images/products/db-suit-1.jpg).


whoisfourthwall

"You jelly how good i look with all buttons on?"


Doctor-Heisenberg

Bet you he was inbred too


EternulaxtheImmortaI

No, you’re thinking about the Earl of Sandwich.


I_See_Nerd_People

Whoa why you gotta make it personal?


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cjandstuff

Ever wear a tie?


jthompson473

Did he have an armor stretcher?


xRaijin

Idk, but he had a sex chair https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/qytowp/king_edward_vii_had_a_custom_made_love_chair/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


HIs4HotSauce

*shag sled


Dismal_Struggle_6424

Gotta start buttoning that one to flex on obese syphilitic aristocracy. Let them eat this dick.


72616262697473

Imagine the dozens of pounds of plastic that have been used to add useless buttons.


CowboyJoker90

It’s the male fashion equivalent of fake pockets in women’s clothing.


Manuscribble

Well, sadly my suit coat also has fake pockets


GreatStateOfSadness

Are they fake pockets, or real pockets that were sewn shut? Some suit makers sew jacket pockets shut for aesthetics/to not have them accidentally rip during transit. If it's an actual pocket, then you can just cut the string holding it shut without any real ramifications.


TheSatyagrahi

Upvoted because I feel like a lot of people don’t know this about suits. Took me awhile to find out myself.


thinkimasofa

They should teach this in home ec... pockets and the back openings on jackets may be sewn shut so they stay flat for display and should be removed, tags loosely stitched on the sleeves of some coats aren't meant to be permanent decorations, some day you might buy wool products, with before and after pictures of washing them ..


manondorf

bold of you to assume home ec is a thing that's taught anymore


Joker4479

Any proper suit salesman would take care of that for you. You’re supposed to open the vents, remove the tags, remove the brand on the sleeve, open the pockets, and if needed tailor it.


plantfollower

Same thing with girls pockets on clothes. People don’t know this but if you cut it open, there’s a pocket in there. You HAVE to try it! /s


Manuscribble

Oh totally, but I've definitely cut some open and found my wallet shifting towards the tail of my coat. Not all stitched pockets are real.


woden_spoon

They may not be fake—most suit-pockets are sewn closed (maybe to keep them flat for display?) but if you use a stitch-cutter you can make them functional.


Krunk_MIlkshake

They're sewn shut so they don't crumple and make creases in shipping. Same reason why the vents at the back of the suit coat are sewn down. People not cutting the suit coat vets open is one of my biggest pet peeves. [This is what I'm talking about.](https://www.reddit.com/r/medicalschool/comments/75klsm/fashion_psa_for_the_interview_trail_open_your/)


rgtong

Realistically its probably in the hundreds or thousands of tonnes of plastic.


BrotherGantry

If you really want to call have what's now called a [paddock cut](https://www.keikari.com/english/the-paddock-cut/) made by a skilled tailor. The last King Edward rocked them, as did JFK. Pretty much everything you buy that's ready to wear or even (made to measure)/semi-bespoke is going to be constructed with the assumption that that bottom button isn't going to be buttoned - and will look off if it is.


spasske

Because Edward the VII did over a hundred years ago, we all still have to do it?


That1one1dude1

Suits are cut for it to be unbuttoned now. If you button it, the suit won’t sit as it should


CuppaMatt

Remember kids, tradition is just peer pressure from dead folk.


LL-beansandrice

You can buy one-button jackets if you like


logicalconflict

All fashion "rules" and the whole idea of fashion in general for that matter is incredibly stupid. Wear whatever you want, however you want.


kirkl3s

Yah just dont buy three button jackets. Two button always looks better anyways


MCClapYoHandz

I agree, but you don’t button the bottom on a two button jacket either


HeadOfSlytherin

Same for ties, right? What’s the point of them? Traditional fashion, I suppose.


Voc0

What if it only has 2 buttons?


ReddDead13

Button the top when standing, unbotton when sitting. Bottom is still never buttoned.


dunaja

So for 3 buttons the top is standing only?


Aldeobald

Don't do up the bottom. Just don't do it


Voc0

Ok thx


clitorismonster223

Why?


Kingthefirst101

Modern jackets are cut in such a way that the bottom buttons are decorative, and buttoning them up will cause the material to pull in weird ways. It's more uncomfortable (unless your jacket is too big) and causes weird looking pulling in the fabric.


stormrockox

Is this what they mean when they sing "the hardest button to button"?


nio_nl

Push the button.


carlinwasright

Nah that song is about those mini buttons that hold the tips of your shirt collar down


buckzer0

If I paid for a button I'm using a goddamn button.


couchsweetpotato

Heard this in George Costanza’s voice


MicesNicely

F yeah. When it is cold all buttons get buttoned, and I dare someone to tell me I should be uncomfortable because they don’t like my buttons!


forte_bass

I distinctly remember in grade school i had a coat with a hood, but the hood looked kinda weird, it was one of those ones you can tuck in or hide so it was a little lame. Anyway, one of the coldest days we were outside and one kid made fun of me for wearing it and i said to him "what, should I just freeze then? Would you rather just be cold if it was you" and this MFer said "Yes." Idk why but that always stuck with me, that some people would rather be miserable than look a little ridiculous.


PrettyPinkNightmare

I have a friend who is always dressed very nice. One day he had to have a surgery on a foot and needed to wear sneakers for a few weeks after. He said "Are you always that comfortable in your shoes?" and then went back to wearing uncomfortable shoes although he was still in pain from the surgery.


70stang

Sounds like your friend needs to find more comfortable shoes. I have boots and dress shoes that are far more comfortable than any sneakers I've ever owned. Find me a sneaker with lambskin lining and memory foam cushion...


PrettyPinkNightmare

I wear formal shoes at work and they are just extremely comfortable. As a teacher I have to stand the whole day but also want to look good. I'd never give them up for sneakers


-Johnny-

People are so weird. I just can't bring myself to care that much.


LL-beansandrice

It started as a dumb thing bc of a fat king but these days jackets are designed and cut with the expectation that the bottom button won't be used so the jacket won't hang right or look good when you button it. The cost is also like less than a penny unless you're paying for handsewn button holes and shit.


chacha_marie

Streets ahead.


syntrapp

If you don’t know you are streets behind


RocknrollReborn1

Pfft I’m a level 5 Laser Lotus.


Ok-Chemistry-6820

Are you sure you're not in a cult?


Willr2645

r/unexcpectedcomunnity Edit: r/unexpectedcommunity


usernamesarefortools

This is recently one of my favourite Community jokes.. I was just reading some P.G. Wodehouse from ~ 1920s (Jeeves & Wooster) and came upon "Streets ahead". So not only did Peirce try to claim credit for a saying he clearly didn't invent, but no one else in that room would likely have read anything old enough to contain it. And, like myself, probably very few of the show's viewers.


chacha_marie

That’s amazing. I appreciate your sharing that tidbit. Just another reason Community is such a great show.


ichzarealhitler

They're just jealous - T.A


monsterfurby

When I was taught this, I thought that once I grew up, I'd be wearing a suit all the time at work. At it turned out - home office aside - I usually show up to work in jeans and got a reputation as a fancy dresser just for wearing polo shirts most of the time. Haven't worn a suit in... almost a decade now? Man, am I happy to live in the 21st century.


PickleChip12

THEN WHY IS IT THERE


fucking_unicorn

It’s a test.


CruxOfTheIssue

The British have spent centuries perfecting the way to sus out peasants.


CameraDriftedFocus

It's like male nipples


alex3omg

It's the belly button


babyteetee

Arbitrary sartorial rules are funny and seem funnier the more outdated they become. Like, if our grandfathers were seeing this diagram they would say “yeah” but myself and all the much younger people here on Reddit instantly go “why though”. Not unlike Obama and his nice looking tan suit.


LL-beansandrice

This "rule" is a bit different than stuff like "no hats inside". These days jackets are designed and cut with this expectation in mind and they don't hang correctly or look good when you do button the bottom button.


CompGrl323

But then why do they even include the last button if you're not expected to use it?


LL-beansandrice

It's really as simple as [one button](https://www.instagram.com/p/CWOVNlPIZ9Y/), [two button](https://www.instagram.com/p/CGrtHpuHuo_/), and [three button](https://www.instagram.com/p/BhPDyikgvCI/) jackets can all look really different. This is just one of tons and tons of details that can change how a jacket looks. A popular style right now is called ["3 roll 2"](https://www.instagram.com/p/CWjDlaBrQcb/) Where it has 3 buttons but looks a lot more like a 2 button jacket because the top button is rolled into the lapel. There's also stuff about how long the lapel is, how long the jacket is, how wide the lapel is, how the quarters(? I keep forgetting the term) lay, etc.


CompGrl323

Huh, OK. I really don't know anything about menswear lol but I would like to learn more. I wanna wear a nice suit some day and not look like a fool lol


LL-beansandrice

I think there's a quick guide in the wiki/sidebar of /r/malefashionadvice if you're interested. The main things are picking a good color (navy or charcoal usually), making sure it fits well, this rule, remember to unbutton when you're sitting and button when you're standing, and some tie stuff if you're wearing a tie. As I type that out it sounds like a lot haha but plenty of shops like J Crew, Suit Supply, etc. (in the US) can help you a bunch with the process.


Corrupt_Reverend

There are quite a few instances of "vestigial buttons" in clothing.


unpopularopinion0

i’ll do whatever i want.


pfefferneusse

The *i don't give a shit*, *i don't give a shit*, and *i don't give a shit* rule.


hachimu

this is the actual art of manliness right here


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Yeah fuck these guides


TheEntireRomanArmy

Also have heard 1 button standing, 0 sitting. Always assumed these rules were invented by fat guys. Seems dumb to me. It has buttons. I'm buttonin' 'em. Try to stop me.


AllofaSuddenStory

It’s just because suits tend to bunch up when buttoned if sitting


Hibs

and it looks like shit if you unbutton it while standing, such as when you are a groomsman, in front of the entire damn wedding


carolinacasper

Stop you? There's no way to stop TheEntireRomanArmy!


That2RandomRedditor

The Germans managed to find a way…


UnderPressureVS

I’m pretty skinny but I find any well-fitting jacket begins to stretch and tighten if you leave it buttoned while sitting. With a regular off-the-shelf sport coat, you’re probably fine, but if you get one that’s actually fitted (or fully tailored, if you have a lot more money than me), it’ll feel a little constricting if you leave it buttoned while sitting down.


That_Tuba_Who

When you sit with it buttoned it often stresses the buttons / threads holding them


gabopushups

I'll try the "Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes" rule


ekolis

I'm confused. Is this sometimes, always, never button them? Or sometimes, always, never leave them open?


The_Bike_Mage

Button them, never do up the bottom button, no matter how fit you are you look like a fat penguin


cracked3ggs

I scrolled way too far to find this


LL-beansandrice

The first one


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dragonard

What’s the point of having the third button?


queen-of-carthage

It looks very stupid to have the top two buttons buttoned and the bottom one unbuttoned


projelly-

dont wear anything with buttons: problem solved


GetsGold

Exactly. I just wear a velcro suit.


kraken_enrager

We wear Velcro ties and shirts too. They just have fake buttons on them.


owzark

I wear a hoodie.


ImanShumpertplus

[velcro hoodie by KG](https://chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/2018/2/14/18385646/kevin-garnett-reveals-secret-to-gravity-defying-sideways-hoodie)


Lukaroast

I will never be able to cope with this stupid fucking third button that is societally forbidden. Why


ajver19

We've put a third button on your coat. *You must not use the third button.*


Small__Spook

Because your jacket gets creased if you do button it


Otherwiseclueless

Seems like "stop producing deliberately dysfunctional jackets" should have been the solution long before this became a convention.


Simon_Jester88

I button all of them, fuck tradition.


bcollns2

“Three buttons is a little 90s Mr. Wayne.”


MrJackTheNasty

then why the fuck does it have 3 buttons


bladeofvirtue

Suit wearing person here. This guide is complete bullshit. Wear a jacket however you like.


tinopa6872

I button whatever buttons i damn well please! Im no fat french king!


DracoAdamantus

Screw that. If there’s a button, I’ll use it.


buttsmcfatts

Fuck trafition. I look good with the bottom button fastened and that's how I'll wear it. Traditions can die sometimes


doesntsmokecrack

Also: unbutton when you sit down and re-button when you stand again.


CdnDutchBoy

Enh…fashion ‘rules’ are dumb! Wear what u feel confident in and wear it however u like.


Marrow620

Really, who gives a shit lol


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Why is the third button even there then‽


sp4cej4mm

To flex on The Poors


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*How is that even a flex‽*


Mimical

Cause if you're nice and fat your suit will be flexing at the gut. Hence, the need to keep the bottom button open.


A_Cat_Named_Frank

Ah fashion... *We're going to give you a fully functioning button on your jacket. BUT DON'T YOU DARE EVER FEKKING USE IT!!*


kvwhitejr

I really despise random made-up rules. The only thing that I despise more are people who feel like it's their job to enforce the random made-up rules.


fatalcharm

May I ask the reason?


Nicolay77

This rule started because king Edward VII was so fat he could never button the lower button. I am no English, why should I honour a fat English king? What would an Italian dressing guide say?


twatchops

Why though? Such dumb arbitrary rules


Urgadur

r/crappydesign


clockfire1

I paid for 3 buttons. I'm gonna use all 3. Try to stop me


SOwED

Bunched up jacket lookin ass


Valuable-Baked

The 1990's would like to discuss this 3rd button = never thing


timasticore

If never on bottom button then why does it exist?!


Piskoro

wait what?