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Want to discuss live? [**Join our Discord!**](https://discord.gg/lol) --- PMTs: [Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/qerg22/dk_vs_mad_game_1_discussion_thread/) [Game 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/qesede/damwon_kia_vs_mad_lions_worlds_2021_quarterfinals/) [Game 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/qetjl9/dwg_kia_vs_mad_lions_2021_world_championship/) Reminder: Event-long bans for region baiting offenses during Worlds. Region bait is defined as: Trash talk (NA>EU EU>NA) that is taking place in a completely unrelated thread. Posts and comments that do nothing but incite inflammatory arguments between regions are also not allowed.


RookCauldron

[What an embarrassment](https://twitter.com/Caedrel/status/1452291887302316039)


RookCauldron

There's a lot that has to be said when most of the people that I've ever blocked on Reddit are from this subreddit.


Bhiggsb

Are people dm'ing you or what? I've never ever had to block anyone. From any sub


RookCauldron

Yes


Bhiggsb

Rippp


cmdtrigun

Glad we don't have to watch EU play anymore.


StinkyCheese_15

Even one of the Mad owners is talking shit about his team https://twitter.com/g4g_revenant/status/1452271732409217026?s=21


NurseTaric

Can't wait for c9 to lose tomorrow and this subs interested in worlds to die completely


xTrump_rapes_kidsx

Why wouldn't it? We are existing on hopium alone


Amdafc

EU teams losing at worlds really shows how NA dominated this subreddit is and how much pent up anger there is towards EU that NA fans haven't been able to let out these last couple of years lmao


getjebaited

must be a whole lot of na fans to rate mad as top 4 LMFAO


Bhiggsb

I mean EU has spent a good amount of energy just talking mad shit about na the last few years


KuttayKaBaccha

Honestly a lot,of thr anti NA,shit I see is from disappointed NA fans moreso than EU fans, Im not a fan of any region I just support whatever teams I think are more proactive and for me that's always been LPL and EU. This year both RGE and MAD are too slow/bad,in the early to mid but i was rooting for FNC and C9 plus LPL. Sadly LPL went boom.


frasiercranekdkd

EU desperately want people to believe this sub isn’t EU dominated - that way they can pretend someone other than LEC fans respect their region. This sub unironically voting MAD top 4 and Humanoid top 20 is incontrovertible proof this sub is EU dominated.


malakesxasame

You could always tell based on how much reddit gold/silver etc match threads got lol.


Grandmafelloutofbed

Dudes name is wolf? holy shit I want to meet the parents. I bet they have wolf t-shirts and shit and their house is covered in wolf stuff


lovo17

This series honestly felt like Damwon weren't respecting MAD at all. Predator Syndra? Lmao


Quitchy

This has been a frankly disaster of a worlds for Europe. Rogue being gifted an opportunity to get out of group A and losing a tiebreaker to a lower tier team. Fnatic collapsing due to unfortunate circumstances. MAD looking like the mild meta shift destroyed them completely and throwing what chance they had in game 2 against Damwon and then making the mind boggling decision to return to what didn’t work in game 1. It has made for some really rough viewing.


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The FNC thing didnt help for sure. We only send 3 teams and 1 was basically eliminated before they even played a game. As for the others. It wasn't the worst. We did ok. Hopefully next time we will have 3 teams.


Welschmerzer

"MAD is a Bo5 team!" - EU copium addicts about a team that's 0-3 in international Bo5s (inclusive of matches against minor regions)


TheUItimateBlip

I mean thats just bs. last year cant be counted, or you could also start talking in one sentence of this and last years G2. This year they only lost to DK in bo5s. And I wouldnt be surprised if DK wins it all, since they beat T1 domestically, look stronger and havent lost 1 game to teams from all other big regions. Now the way they lost is sad, but also not untypical for DK honestly. If you dont think DK looked like the hardest potetial opponent you are delousional. AND yes, MAD is a bo5 team. they are much better in Bo5s than bo1s, and loosing to DK doesnt proove much. Dont forget that both FNC and G2 lost at their prime to the best team 3-0/3-1. Until DK gets exposed to be worse than it looks, this says really nothing.


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> Dont forget that both FNC and G2 lost at their prime to the best team But these were in the World's finals =P


iammeowses

Because FNC and G2 only met the eventual champions in finals, unlike MAD (if DK wins the whole thing. AGAIN.) The point is that MAD didn't lose to some average team, yet people are acting like it for some reason.


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This series looked more competitive than G2 vs FPX finals let's be honest.


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Promanco

You can't say "no offense" before an insult and then pretend it wasnt an insult lol Anyway I think Armut is fine, MAD loses that series against Rogue in Spring if it wasnt for him


[deleted]

"no offense" is always followed by something insulting lol


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faithfulheresy

It really will be. It unfortunate that it happens a round earlier, and I feel sorry for the opposite side of the bracket. They truly are irrelevant.


Choice-Performance26

Well, not really. T1 and DK will meet in semis, so I don't really get how what you said is possible?


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TheUItimateBlip

we'll talk, when DK 3-0'd T1 in semis :)


Ok-Engineering-6135

Even if dk 3-0s t1, the gap between t1 and the others is still huge.


kozarr

I don’t think you understand what they’re saying at all


Dumpers_

BeryL just said that the Pyke pick was just to fully enjoy the 5th pick (counter pick) on red side…


Perceptions-pk

I mean the way he was running around KSing... he was giving everyone the full soloq experience PS. I'm super glad Beryl's back in better form, and chadding it up with weird picks.


Visage_143

EU Tops are so garbage that LEC orgs are on their knees outside of mark yetter's door (or who ever is responsible) begging him that Ornn and maokai are meta next year.


joniihax

BAD LIONS


AndlenaRaines

Have fun being Iron in Wild Rift.


luucongthanhan

Is it tradition for EU to get kick out of World by a Leesin, I swear every year EU teams got destroyed by Leesin.


Welschmerzer

EU has trouble with characters that allow for high skill expression.


bigfanofeden

hope t1 wins i don't respect a guy who says i'm the best mid laner in the world. hoping faker to clap his head


_yugi_

[https://twitter.com/LCK\_Global/status/1452289970098475009](https://twitter.com/LCK_Global/status/1452289970098475009) what all of mad lions will see in their nightmares


AndlenaRaines

TI > Worlds All the hype for Worlds was gone after groups tbh


DoubleElim

TI brackets is god tier. Bo3 is sufficient if theres double elim. Bo5 is obviously better but it forces us to only get single elim. Riot whos dick do I gotta suck to get double elim?


ForeverVictory

Group stage has always been the best part of Worlds. A big reason for that is guaranteed inter-regional matches.


Blizzard_admin

Helps that in dota all the regions are evenly matched(CN,EU,NA,RU,SEA,SA), even south america has had some top placings at recent events and they're extremely underfunded. There aren't any korean powerhouse teams and all the european and russian dota teams are on par with the chinese dota powerhouses.


emiliaxrisella

I dont know if we need double elimination in worlds or more chances for regions to play against each other or both.


Blizzard_admin

In dota, all the regions(CN,EU,NA,RU,SEA,SA) are around equal skill level. There aren't any koreans(and the few dota pros from korea are actually from the us and australia).


CreamyAlmond

And that's because international competitions happen year round, and rosters are made up of players from all over the world


Blizzard_admin

4 of the 6 major regions don't have any imports(EU, RU, SEA, SA), and for the remaining two that do(NA, CN), there are way more imports in league than there are in dota.


emiliaxrisella

That's what I mean, the regions get more chances to play against each other, be it third party tournaments/invitationals or the Majors, while Riot has essentially killed off all major international competition except Worlds and MSI


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Having only 7 bo5 at worlds seems so wrong. And only 3 at MSI. So only 10 international bo5 all year (and zero bo3). Seems so weak. Riot probably would have expanded worlds without covid by now though.


Promanco

Untrue, there is 9 BO5 at Worlds under the current format


Quitchy

11


AndlenaRaines

Both, Worlds is supposed to be the pinnacle of League’s year


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AndlenaRaines

Ok CCP simp I guess you had to get your first social credits with this comment


Pizza-Penguin

God imagine having g a life and enjoying your job


i_n_s_o_m_n_i_a_c

so much salt on reddit this worlds everytime a western team loses... muh bad format, muh bad meta, muh stopwatch, muh double elim...


DoubleElim

bad format true. double elim best format true.


AndlenaRaines

Ok G2 fan


Promanco

Double elimination is what crappy teams demand so they don't lose as fast lol I hate all those rallying on that battlecry, like bro nobody wants to see HLE and MAD get 3-0 again


Perceptions-pk

I don't mind double elimination cuz this format we currently have isn't cutting it we either get one sided brackets with boring finals, or all LPL and all LCK on one side for regional brackets... which we already saw in playoffs. Or at the least rearrange the formatting so we get more cross regional match ups.


ThisIsSoIrrelevant

I don't really care if we have double elim or not, I just want to see more International BO5s at Worlds. Whatever form that takes. Maybe something like 32 teams at Worlds with knockouts starting at the final 16 instead? You could do away with Playins and just have groups be 8 lots of 4 teams, double round robin still. We wouldn't run in to the current issue of X team has to go into Y group because they are from Z Region and all the other groups have Z region already. You still get plenty of minor region teams playing (even with 4 seeds for LPL, LCK, EU and NA that leaves 16 other teams). I dunno, I just want more BO5s.


AndlenaRaines

More Bo5s and more region vs region competition. 1/2 of quarters is just LCK and LPL playoffs and 1/2 of semis is already LCK playoffs again.


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That's expected when they get the most teams out of groups...


Promanco

Which it should be because they are the best teams, the teams not in Semis do not deserve to be in Semis


girlmarth

yes this sounds great and I would like it, it would also let you see a lot more how deep some regions are.


i_n_s_o_m_n_i_a_c

yeah like everyone wants to see TL, RGE, 100T play 3 more games getting stomped by koreans lmao


Promanco

They think this will increase the chances of Western teams winning it all; what they fail to realize is that it will solidify Korean and Chinese dominance because Double Elimination punishes cheese and rewards strategic hiding of strategies in upper bracket.


AndlenaRaines

So how did Team Spirit (a Russian team) win against LGD (a chinese team) in Dota 2 TI with double elimination?


Blizzard_admin

Russia has always been a strong region in dota, they've just choked at previous TIs. Russian teams have won a considerable amount of international lans outside of TI in dota. The only weak region is NA and maybe SA.


Promanco

Because they got an unfair advantage of being allowed to lose a series while LGD got eliminated after a single series. So fair that the Champion and the Runner Up lost the same amount of series!


AndlenaRaines

Oh, so now you're making excuses? I thought you said that it would solidify Korean and Chinese dominance, so wouldn't LGD have been able to win that series easily if that were the case?


AndlenaRaines

Oh, so now you're making excuses? I thought you said that it would solidify Korean and Chinese dominance, so wouldn't LGD have been able to win that series easily if that were the case?


Promanco

lolwut? Double Elimination in DOTA HAS solidified the dominance of the strongest regions. In all of TI history Spirit is the FIRST non Chinese/American/European to ever win it all. Way to dodge my point about fairness tho, I guess we don't care about that and for clarity the format DID reward Spirit saving strategies in the upper bracket while LGD got punish for not doing the same lol


RookCauldron

Ye, you have no legs to stand on.


Blizzard_admin

Spirit had to play way more games to even meet LGD in the finals and they also had no rest after winning the lower bracket finals. Also Na'Vi won the first TI and they aren't chinese/american/european either. The only region that hasn't won TI from the beginning is SEA.


AndlenaRaines

Ye, I wish there was no double elimination in LEC either, G2 should’ve been eliminated after losing to MAD, G2 winning all those trophies was a fluke


i_n_s_o_m_n_i_a_c

still the only western team to win an international trophy since season 1


KongRahbek

What? That's just a straight up lie...


AndlenaRaines

Where are G2 at Worlds? Did they get out of Group E?


i_n_s_o_m_n_i_a_c

i already have great memories from watching G2 at worlds, one year off won't change that :)


AndlenaRaines

You mean 3 years off? 2016, 2017, 2021. Plus, you're not counting all the future years


pennyclip

Who could have foreseen this unexpected result


ontnotton

At this point, my expectation is if DK will drop a game or not.


aamgdp

T1: let us introduce ourselves


Arsepounder

Armut has to go


honolulululululululu

Elyoya was so dogshit too


Admirable_Kitchen_36

who do you want to replace him with ?


Egg-mont

buy alphari?


lovo17

I honestly think Alphari enjoys being on TL, and not just for the salary.


GodofSteak

NA is very comfy


Admirable_Kitchen_36

where money and btw NA money > EUW money also dont think alphari gonna leave


Egg-mont

i have 5 dollars, im sure we can crowdfund him together!


Arsepounder

Honestly? I think wunder would be an upgrade, great champion pool, will want to prove his haters wrong and has a massive peak.


joniihax

Upgrade? Is the same u always gonna lose, dosnt matter if is alphari wunder armut, khan is better, canyon y showmaker r better. Buy whatever u want u still gonna lose


Averdian

https://twitter.com/Caedrel/status/1452291887302316039 lol


ragtev

I mean it's a ridiculous angry rant but damn it I can't help but agree about phreak xD. Poor caedral doesn't deserve that


[deleted]

That person for sure is one of these LEC haters here on reddit. There is a lot of them so who is it?


AndlenaRaines

Prob a DK simp


Raynar7

Some people take watching sports too seriously…


BeerBellyBoomer

How cancer are those people btw lol


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JesusEm14

Doesnt seem like a NA Fan


AndlenaRaines

Most sane LCK fan


djokobot

The way I see GenG vs C9 is that GenG will not int like FPX did. Sure, GenG aren't the most proactive team but they're more than happy to drag the game into 5v5 objective fights. C9 can't be inconsistent like they've been the entire year and must show up in good form. Winnable for C9 but it's not a freebie.


jonathanneam

im a lck fan and gen g is definitely really wonky right now for some reason. they barely got out of their groups when it shouldnt be so


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>they barely got out of their groups when it shouldnt be so this can be said about everyone in Group D lol


faithfulheresy

Which really reinforces his point. The LCK second seed really should be superior to the general masses in groups.


reggiewafu

GenG is not it. They were 2-7 in bo3s against playoff teams in the second half of summer. This meta is bad for them or any team with ADC as their primary carry player


FBG_Ikaros

ayo, anyone knows when the EU future discussion thread will come up? NA gets like 10+ every year, when is ours coming up?


Initium__novum

It's okay we'll just find some rookies, NA has it really hard with their teams having just a few dozen millions to throw on roster building after every failure, our players getting bought away is good because they're old and washed up anyway and will free spots for new rookies! We were also really unlucky that MAD had to play Damwon, there was nothing they could have done to avoid that, also the games were real close, you know, MAD in bo5! Also stopwatch is so cancer man really unfair fuck Riot balancing


FBG_Ikaros

Yeah the level of ERL also obviously stays the same even when the LEC takes half the players every year :). Of course people like Corwnshot or Lider etc never came out and said that the level of ERL has been dropping in the past years, and that there arent really exceptional players anymore.


Raynar7

Crownshot and Lider - two of the most overrated EU players ever speaking about exceptional players


Ridan82

The fact that this was The best EU had is kinda sad. TL died for this......


JesusEm14

They died because of their own sins. They should have won against Bad Lions in th e second match


AndlenaRaines

TL died for this because they suck lol They should’ve won more games


Averdian

It's against the best team in the World. TL might've done even worse. At least MAD nearly took a game


ragtev

Mad threw the biggest lead of worlds how is that a good thing


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cmdtrigun

Anyone could do better than that, even TL.


Ridan82

You might be right. But no way in hell they would have turbo inted that game 2 in the fashion.


AndlenaRaines

They turbointed against GenG, who are worse than DK lol


Depressedkid1998

They wouldn’t even gotten to the winning position


Welschmerzer

It's not a winning position for LEC teams apparently.


EnjoyThisAfternoon

And?


Welschmerzer

That's it. EU is bad, as usual without their one elite player.


EnjoyThisAfternoon

Just shut your mouth and stop embarrassing yourself on the thread.


Welschmerzer

Sorry to hurt your pride by proxy, cupcake. EU is surely a big, strong region that doesn't have embarrassing solo laners.


EnjoyThisAfternoon

Nah, it is what it is, we got smurfed on. I had the misfortune of reading your comments on the thread and I am happy that our defeat could brighten your life a little bit.


RookCauldron

https://youtu.be/5moe2B9MC4Q Damn Elyoya


_yugi_

LOL carzzy to armut : Are you even listening dude???


JesusEm14

Oh damn he is absolutely fuming. So funny to watch


asphias

I said it in play-ins, i said it in groups, and i'll say it here again. I won't count out Perkz in a do-or-die moment until he is on the plane home. GenG should probably win this series, but Perkz wouldn't be Perkz if he couldn't just miracle a win out of his hat.


[deleted]

Perkz has already mentally broken BDD with his comments imo


Significant_Vast4330

It's a three way fight between Perkz, Park Ju, and BDD.


_yugi_

what does armut's tweet mean? is carzzy already leaving mad or something?


aamgdp

Apparently bjergsen followed Carzzy yesterday, so they're trolling about that.


Todeswucht

They've been memeing about Carzzy leaving the team for weeks now, although joking about it in your worlds defeat tweet would be pretty crazy


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Probably a Carlos special.


Visage_143

https://imgur.com/a/8ZSk3ag


honolulululululululu

Both should be angry face. Bot gapped hard too, maybe except for the third game. But then ghost doesn't even play ziggs and neither pyke for beryl, feel like they were trolling like showmaker kassadin tbh.


Todeswucht

The 2021 EU tops incident


tony220jdm

I dunno why people underestimating Gen.G but it will back fire tomrrow unless Perkz can 1v9 hard stomp


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Probably because they barely got out of a group against an EU team that just got gigastomped, a decent LCS team, and the Chinese 4th seed Like yeah Gen.G is favored but it's not like they've been particularly convincing


Freakkopath

I mean, GenG was the best draw C9 could get, but are people really that high on C9 beating GenG? I dont see it..


cmdtrigun

Why would you expect NA fans to not be hoping for a C9 win? I swear no one in this sub understands sports fan mentality. The same reason EU thought MAD could beat DK, and we all know that GenG isn't DK


GGABueno

C9 was also the best draw GenG could hope for.


billiebol

Well after C9 loses there's nothing interesting in worlds anymore except to see at the end if my prediction DK won the whole thing, so there's that.


Welschmerzer

DK vs. T1 will be the most interesting part of Worlds 2021.


Lord-Talon

It'll definitely be the highest quality game. But there is no way you can call it the most interesting game, we get T1 vs DK 6 times a year, it'd pretty well known how all match-ups go.


Rochaelpro

If you love high quality league of legend gameplay yes. It will be. But if you love memes above everything else, then you must be expecting a C9vsDK final..


JustMayoPls

Ikr? Gen G looks weak af to be fair but I feel like everyone tries to forget C9 had a losing record in groups and only got out due to a perfect storm of DK going 6-0 and FPX imploding.


X1lon

Mad stuggling in groups People: they have a chance against DWG GenG struggling People: they suck


JustMayoPls

It’s natural since it’s Reddit which is mostly Na Eu circlejerking. You’d wish people would be objective while wishing the best for their region but apparently you can’t have both.


cmdtrigun

Being a sports fan has nothing to do with being objective. Analysts need to be objective, fans should not be objective


JustMayoPls

what? lol, I can be a Mad fan for example and say that I still believe Mad can beat DK but most likely DK will win. Thats being objective but still having faith in my team. Is that such a outrageous statement?


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It depends which side of the coin C9 flips...


Promanco

I think it's 70-30 in favor of GenG But that is super high for C9 considering they could had gotten T1 instead lol


BeerBellyBoomer

I can see C9 beating Gen G yeah


Egg-mont

Thank you MAD for the crazy group D tie situation. There is no shame in losing to world champions even though its only in quarters


Welschmerzer

They also lost to GenG to get into this situation.


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Welschmerzer

Sorry, EU is definitely a respectable region. At least top 4.


LostJC

I honestly don't understand why people think there are better regions than the top 4. Like sure, maybe the PCS top team is good, but the region is still below the majors. Just because EU was basically NA level this world's doesn't mean they're a dead region. Jeez.


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jonathanneam

i dont use twitter, whats happening?


NotLikeThisManNo

BR fans are worse.


-Basileus

All them death threats


chenkute113

Selling Perkz really broke EU


Visage_143

more like losing players every year does


definitelydane

Nah, it's more of the old guard in EU dying off and the next generation of players coming in.


AugmentDeathray

I thought Elyoya's qiyana was bad, but dam his gragas might be even worse. Elyoya out, Bwipo in


Welschmerzer

Watch EU fans make excuses for Elyoya the way they didn't for Shadow. Wonder why that is.


LostJC

Shadow shat the bed in playins against wildcards. Elyoya at least stayed decent through world's. The two are not comparable, regardless of the bait you're throwing out.


aamgdp

Sorry dude, I think Mac is quite good coach, doesn't need replacing.


Shrabster33

> Bwipo in As top replacing Armut right?


youriko31

I wish DK wins Worlds, so Khan can end his League career on a high note.


beefstake

Sad that we can't have T1 vs DW finals. This is why double elim would be much better even if it was Bo3s. That semi is going to be the real final and that just sucks.


Todeswucht

btw fuck Carlos, he's already on Twitter with the "no G2 no semis" shit As if he didn't sell the GOAT to NA, concentrated the most talent in EU on one team that didn't even make worlds, or as if he didn't get stomped by DK last year. This series was 8 minutes shorter than G2 Damwon, and G2 got a win then.