By - ahritina
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[What an embarrassment](https://twitter.com/Caedrel/status/1452291887302316039)
There's a lot that has to be said when most of the people that I've ever blocked on Reddit are from this subreddit.
Are people dm'ing you or what? I've never ever had to block anyone. From any sub
Glad we don't have to watch EU play anymore.
Even one of the Mad owners is talking shit about his team https://twitter.com/g4g_revenant/status/1452271732409217026?s=21
Can't wait for c9 to lose tomorrow and this subs interested in worlds to die completely
Why wouldn't it? We are existing on hopium alone
EU teams losing at worlds really shows how NA dominated this subreddit is and how much pent up anger there is towards EU that NA fans haven't been able to let out these last couple of years lmao
must be a whole lot of na fans to rate mad as top 4 LMFAO
I mean EU has spent a good amount of energy just talking mad shit about na the last few years
Honestly a lot,of thr anti NA,shit I see is from disappointed NA fans moreso than EU fans,
Im not a fan of any region I just support whatever teams I think are more proactive and for me that's always been LPL and EU.
This year both RGE and MAD are too slow/bad,in the early to mid but i was rooting for FNC and C9 plus LPL. Sadly LPL went boom.
EU desperately want people to believe this sub isn’t EU dominated - that way they can pretend someone other than LEC fans respect their region. This sub unironically voting MAD top 4 and Humanoid top 20 is incontrovertible proof this sub is EU dominated.
You could always tell based on how much reddit gold/silver etc match threads got lol.
Dudes name is wolf? holy shit I want to meet the parents. I bet they have wolf t-shirts and shit and their house is covered in wolf stuff
This series honestly felt like Damwon weren't respecting MAD at all. Predator Syndra? Lmao
This has been a frankly disaster of a worlds for Europe. Rogue being gifted an opportunity to get out of group A and losing a tiebreaker to a lower tier team. Fnatic collapsing due to unfortunate circumstances. MAD looking like the mild meta shift destroyed them completely and throwing what chance they had in game 2 against Damwon and then making the mind boggling decision to return to what didn’t work in game 1. It has made for some really rough viewing.
The FNC thing didnt help for sure. We only send 3 teams and 1 was basically eliminated before they even played a game.
As for the others. It wasn't the worst. We did ok. Hopefully next time we will have 3 teams.
"MAD is a Bo5 team!" - EU copium addicts about a team that's 0-3 in international Bo5s (inclusive of matches against minor regions)
I mean thats just bs. last year cant be counted, or you could also start talking in one sentence of this and last years G2. This year they only lost to DK in bo5s. And I wouldnt be surprised if DK wins it all, since they beat T1 domestically, look stronger and havent lost 1 game to teams from all other big regions. Now the way they lost is sad, but also not untypical for DK honestly. If you dont think DK looked like the hardest potetial opponent you are delousional. AND yes, MAD is a bo5 team. they are much better in Bo5s than bo1s, and loosing to DK doesnt proove much. Dont forget that both FNC and G2 lost at their prime to the best team 3-0/3-1. Until DK gets exposed to be worse than it looks, this says really nothing.
> Dont forget that both FNC and G2 lost at their prime to the best team
But these were in the World's finals =P
Because FNC and G2 only met the eventual champions in finals, unlike MAD (if DK wins the whole thing. AGAIN.) The point is that MAD didn't lose to some average team, yet people are acting like it for some reason.
This series looked more competitive than G2 vs FPX finals let's be honest.
You can't say "no offense" before an insult and then pretend it wasnt an insult lol
Anyway I think Armut is fine, MAD loses that series against Rogue in Spring if it wasnt for him
"no offense" is always followed by something insulting lol
It really will be. It unfortunate that it happens a round earlier, and I feel sorry for the opposite side of the bracket. They truly are irrelevant.
Well, not really. T1 and DK will meet in semis, so I don't really get how what you said is possible?
we'll talk, when DK 3-0'd T1 in semis :)
Even if dk 3-0s t1, the gap between t1 and the others is still huge.
I don’t think you understand what they’re saying at all
BeryL just said that the Pyke pick was just to fully enjoy the 5th pick (counter pick) on red side…
I mean the way he was running around KSing... he was giving everyone the full soloq experience
PS. I'm super glad Beryl's back in better form, and chadding it up with weird picks.
EU Tops are so garbage that LEC orgs are on their knees outside of mark yetter's door (or who ever is responsible) begging him that Ornn and maokai are meta next year.
Have fun being Iron in Wild Rift.
Is it tradition for EU to get kick out of World by a Leesin, I swear every year EU teams got destroyed by Leesin.
EU has trouble with characters that allow for high skill expression.
hope t1 wins i don't respect a guy who says i'm the best mid laner in the world. hoping faker to clap his head
[https://twitter.com/LCK\_Global/status/1452289970098475009](https://twitter.com/LCK_Global/status/1452289970098475009) what all of mad lions will see in their nightmares
TI > Worlds
All the hype for Worlds was gone after groups tbh
TI brackets is god tier. Bo3 is sufficient if theres double elim. Bo5 is obviously better but it forces us to only get single elim.
Riot whos dick do I gotta suck to get double elim?
Group stage has always been the best part of Worlds. A big reason for that is guaranteed inter-regional matches.
Helps that in dota all the regions are evenly matched(CN,EU,NA,RU,SEA,SA), even south america has had some top placings at recent events and they're extremely underfunded.
There aren't any korean powerhouse teams and all the european and russian dota teams are on par with the chinese dota powerhouses.
I dont know if we need double elimination in worlds or more chances for regions to play against each other or both.
In dota, all the regions(CN,EU,NA,RU,SEA,SA) are around equal skill level. There aren't any koreans(and the few dota pros from korea are actually from the us and australia).
And that's because international competitions happen year round, and rosters are made up of players from all over the world
4 of the 6 major regions don't have any imports(EU, RU, SEA, SA), and for the remaining two that do(NA, CN), there are way more imports in league than there are in dota.
That's what I mean, the regions get more chances to play against each other, be it third party tournaments/invitationals or the Majors, while Riot has essentially killed off all major international competition except Worlds and MSI
Having only 7 bo5 at worlds seems so wrong. And only 3 at MSI.
So only 10 international bo5 all year (and zero bo3). Seems so weak. Riot probably would have expanded worlds without covid by now though.
Untrue, there is 9 BO5 at Worlds under the current format
Both, Worlds is supposed to be the pinnacle of League’s year
Ok CCP simp
I guess you had to get your first social credits with this comment
God imagine having g a life and enjoying your job
so much salt on reddit this worlds everytime a western team loses... muh bad format, muh bad meta, muh stopwatch, muh double elim...
bad format true. double elim best format true.
Ok G2 fan
Double elimination is what crappy teams demand so they don't lose as fast lol
I hate all those rallying on that battlecry, like bro nobody wants to see HLE and MAD get 3-0 again
I don't mind double elimination cuz this format we currently have isn't cutting it we either get one sided brackets with boring finals, or all LPL and all LCK on one side for regional brackets... which we already saw in playoffs.
Or at the least rearrange the formatting so we get more cross regional match ups.
I don't really care if we have double elim or not, I just want to see more International BO5s at Worlds. Whatever form that takes.
Maybe something like 32 teams at Worlds with knockouts starting at the final 16 instead? You could do away with Playins and just have groups be 8 lots of 4 teams, double round robin still. We wouldn't run in to the current issue of X team has to go into Y group because they are from Z Region and all the other groups have Z region already. You still get plenty of minor region teams playing (even with 4 seeds for LPL, LCK, EU and NA that leaves 16 other teams).
I dunno, I just want more BO5s.
More Bo5s and more region vs region competition. 1/2 of quarters is just LCK and LPL playoffs and 1/2 of semis is already LCK playoffs again.
That's expected when they get the most teams out of groups...
Which it should be because they are the best teams, the teams not in Semis do not deserve to be in Semis
yes this sounds great and I would like it, it would also let you see a lot more how deep some regions are.
yeah like everyone wants to see TL, RGE, 100T play 3 more games getting stomped by koreans lmao
They think this will increase the chances of Western teams winning it all; what they fail to realize is that it will solidify Korean and Chinese dominance because Double Elimination punishes cheese and rewards strategic hiding of strategies in upper bracket.
So how did Team Spirit (a Russian team) win against LGD (a chinese team) in Dota 2 TI with double elimination?
Russia has always been a strong region in dota, they've just choked at previous TIs. Russian teams have won a considerable amount of international lans outside of TI in dota.
The only weak region is NA and maybe SA.
Because they got an unfair advantage of being allowed to lose a series while LGD got eliminated after a single series.
So fair that the Champion and the Runner Up lost the same amount of series!
Oh, so now you're making excuses? I thought you said that it would solidify Korean and Chinese dominance, so wouldn't LGD have been able to win that series easily if that were the case?
lolwut? Double Elimination in DOTA HAS solidified the dominance of the strongest regions.
In all of TI history Spirit is the FIRST non Chinese/American/European to ever win it all.
Way to dodge my point about fairness tho, I guess we don't care about that and for clarity the format DID reward Spirit saving strategies in the upper bracket while LGD got punish for not doing the same lol
Ye, you have no legs to stand on.
Spirit had to play way more games to even meet LGD in the finals and they also had no rest after winning the lower bracket finals.
Also Na'Vi won the first TI and they aren't chinese/american/european either. The only region that hasn't won TI from the beginning is SEA.
Ye, I wish there was no double elimination in LEC either, G2 should’ve been eliminated after losing to MAD, G2 winning all those trophies was a fluke
still the only western team to win an international trophy since season 1
What? That's just a straight up lie...
Where are G2 at Worlds? Did they get out of Group E?
i already have great memories from watching G2 at worlds, one year off won't change that :)
You mean 3 years off? 2016, 2017, 2021.
Plus, you're not counting all the future years
Who could have foreseen this unexpected result
At this point, my expectation is if DK will drop a game or not.
T1: let us introduce ourselves
Armut has to go
Elyoya was so dogshit too
who do you want to replace him with ?
I honestly think Alphari enjoys being on TL, and not just for the salary.
NA is very comfy
where money and btw NA money > EUW money also dont think alphari gonna leave
i have 5 dollars, im sure we can crowdfund him together!
Honestly? I think wunder would be an upgrade, great champion pool, will want to prove his haters wrong and has a massive peak.
Upgrade? Is the same u always gonna lose, dosnt matter if is alphari wunder armut, khan is better, canyon y showmaker r better. Buy whatever u want u still gonna lose
I mean it's a ridiculous angry rant but damn it I can't help but agree about phreak xD. Poor caedral doesn't deserve that
That person for sure is one of these LEC haters here on reddit. There is a lot of them so who is it?
Prob a DK simp
Some people take watching sports too seriously…
How cancer are those people btw lol
Doesnt seem like a NA Fan
Most sane LCK fan
The way I see GenG vs C9 is that GenG will not int like FPX did. Sure, GenG aren't the most proactive team but they're more than happy to drag the game into 5v5 objective fights. C9 can't be inconsistent like they've been the entire year and must show up in good form. Winnable for C9 but it's not a freebie.
im a lck fan and gen g is definitely really wonky right now for some reason. they barely got out of their groups when it shouldnt be so
>they barely got out of their groups when it shouldnt be so
this can be said about everyone in Group D lol
Which really reinforces his point. The LCK second seed really should be superior to the general masses in groups.
GenG is not it. They were 2-7 in bo3s against playoff teams in the second half of summer.
This meta is bad for them or any team with ADC as their primary carry player
ayo, anyone knows when the EU future discussion thread will come up? NA gets like 10+ every year, when is ours coming up?
It's okay we'll just find some rookies, NA has it really hard with their teams having just a few dozen millions to throw on roster building after every failure, our players getting bought away is good because they're old and washed up anyway and will free spots for new rookies! We were also really unlucky that MAD had to play Damwon, there was nothing they could have done to avoid that, also the games were real close, you know, MAD in bo5! Also stopwatch is so cancer man really unfair fuck Riot balancing
Yeah the level of ERL also obviously stays the same even when the LEC takes half the players every year :). Of course people like Corwnshot or Lider etc never came out and said that the level of ERL has been dropping in the past years, and that there arent really exceptional players anymore.
Crownshot and Lider - two of the most overrated EU players ever speaking about exceptional players
The fact that this was The best EU had is kinda sad. TL died for this......
They died because of their own sins. They should have won against Bad Lions in th e second match
TL died for this because they suck lol
They should’ve won more games
It's against the best team in the World. TL might've done even worse. At least MAD nearly took a game
Mad threw the biggest lead of worlds how is that a good thing
Anyone could do better than that, even TL.
You might be right. But no way in hell they would have turbo inted that game 2 in the fashion.
They turbointed against GenG, who are worse than DK lol
They wouldn’t even gotten to the winning position
It's not a winning position for LEC teams apparently.
That's it. EU is bad, as usual without their one elite player.
Just shut your mouth and stop embarrassing yourself on the thread.
Sorry to hurt your pride by proxy, cupcake. EU is surely a big, strong region that doesn't have embarrassing solo laners.
Nah, it is what it is, we got smurfed on. I had the misfortune of reading your comments on the thread and I am happy that our defeat could brighten your life a little bit.
LOL carzzy to armut : Are you even listening dude???
Oh damn he is absolutely fuming. So funny to watch
I said it in play-ins, i said it in groups, and i'll say it here again.
I won't count out Perkz in a do-or-die moment until he is on the plane home. GenG should probably win this series, but Perkz wouldn't be Perkz if he couldn't just miracle a win out of his hat.
Perkz has already mentally broken BDD with his comments imo
It's a three way fight between Perkz, Park Ju, and BDD.
what does armut's tweet mean? is carzzy already leaving mad or something?
Apparently bjergsen followed Carzzy yesterday, so they're trolling about that.
They've been memeing about Carzzy leaving the team for weeks now, although joking about it in your worlds defeat tweet would be pretty crazy
Probably a Carlos special.
Both should be angry face. Bot gapped hard too, maybe except for the third game. But then ghost doesn't even play ziggs and neither pyke for beryl, feel like they were trolling like showmaker kassadin tbh.
The 2021 EU tops incident
I dunno why people underestimating Gen.G but it will back fire tomrrow unless Perkz can 1v9 hard stomp
Probably because they barely got out of a group against an EU team that just got gigastomped, a decent LCS team, and the Chinese 4th seed
Like yeah Gen.G is favored but it's not like they've been particularly convincing
I mean, GenG was the best draw C9 could get, but are people really that high on C9 beating GenG? I dont see it..
Why would you expect NA fans to not be hoping for a C9 win? I swear no one in this sub understands sports fan mentality. The same reason EU thought MAD could beat DK, and we all know that GenG isn't DK
C9 was also the best draw GenG could hope for.
Well after C9 loses there's nothing interesting in worlds anymore except to see at the end if my prediction DK won the whole thing, so there's that.
DK vs. T1 will be the most interesting part of Worlds 2021.
It'll definitely be the highest quality game. But there is no way you can call it the most interesting game, we get T1 vs DK 6 times a year, it'd pretty well known how all match-ups go.
If you love high quality league of legend gameplay yes. It will be.
But if you love memes above everything else, then you must be expecting a C9vsDK final..
Ikr? Gen G looks weak af to be fair but I feel like everyone tries to forget C9 had a losing record in groups and only got out due to a perfect storm of DK going 6-0 and FPX imploding.
Mad stuggling in groups
People: they have a chance against DWG
People: they suck
It’s natural since it’s Reddit which is mostly Na Eu circlejerking. You’d wish people would be objective while wishing the best for their region but apparently you can’t have both.
Being a sports fan has nothing to do with being objective. Analysts need to be objective, fans should not be objective
what? lol, I can be a Mad fan for example and say that I still believe Mad can beat DK but most likely DK will win. Thats being objective but still having faith in my team. Is that such a outrageous statement?
It depends which side of the coin C9 flips...
I think it's 70-30 in favor of GenG
But that is super high for C9 considering they could had gotten T1 instead lol
I can see C9 beating Gen G yeah
Thank you MAD for the crazy group D tie situation. There is no shame in losing to world champions even though its only in quarters
They also lost to GenG to get into this situation.
Sorry, EU is definitely a respectable region. At least top 4.
I honestly don't understand why people think there are better regions than the top 4.
Like sure, maybe the PCS top team is good, but the region is still below the majors.
Just because EU was basically NA level this world's doesn't mean they're a dead region. Jeez.
i dont use twitter, whats happening?
BR fans are worse.
All them death threats
Selling Perkz really broke EU
more like losing players every year does
Nah, it's more of the old guard in EU dying off and the next generation of players coming in.
I thought Elyoya's qiyana was bad, but dam his gragas might be even worse. Elyoya out, Bwipo in
Watch EU fans make excuses for Elyoya the way they didn't for Shadow. Wonder why that is.
Shadow shat the bed in playins against wildcards. Elyoya at least stayed decent through world's. The two are not comparable, regardless of the bait you're throwing out.
Sorry dude, I think Mac is quite good coach, doesn't need replacing.
> Bwipo in
As top replacing Armut right?
I wish DK wins Worlds, so Khan can end his League career on a high note.
Sad that we can't have T1 vs DW finals. This is why double elim would be much better even if it was Bo3s.
That semi is going to be the real final and that just sucks.
btw fuck Carlos, he's already on Twitter with the "no G2 no semis" shit
As if he didn't sell the GOAT to NA, concentrated the most talent in EU on one team that didn't even make worlds, or as if he didn't get stomped by DK last year. This series was 8 minutes shorter than G2 Damwon, and G2 got a win then.