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Orianna would be MUCH better pick for Faker in game 5. Wonder why they didn't go for it.
At least Ryze deals damage, Azir is so dead not even Faker can revive him.
Congratz on DWG on being the 2021 world champions. Can't wait for preseason.
I have no idea how the picks were made on the side of T1 but Faker picking Ryze in Game 4 after getting shit on in Game 1 was just....yeah.
Good games overall but I really think T1 (especially Faker) trolled Game 4 hard. Game 5 = Comp/Execution diff.
Canyon is actually scary, his vision/awareness, cutting the flanks.
Showmaker and Canyon make a scary duo but my heart would long to see Canyon & Faker.
SK done incredibly well considering the rookies, cracks turned into holes though in some cases, I’m honestly hyped off of those games though, amazing.
DK got pushed but they pushed back harder.
I hope Khan gets to take that final home. GG both teams. I couldn’t of asked for a better semi final for SK to tap out on.
Man, Showmaker is a real one. Sad for T1 but Showmaker is really showing up when it counts.
You mean Canyon.
T1 press conference is not fun...
faker with the idc about finals anymore idc who wins, same
Well I do want Khan to win. Was my favorite player on the last roster that made worlds.
Edit: But yeah, bittersweet otherwise.
Riot in their never ending quest to plaster advertisements on every facet of worlds, goes so far to even engrave multiple advertiser logos on the fucking championship ring itself lmao
I feel like both Oner and Canna were definetely lacking. Consistently making small mistakes, but at the WORLDS SEMIFINALS those small mistakes are paid with a high price.
There were a few cases of them overextending in early game like that one time game 2/3 I think when Canna's Kennen dove Bot tower, made a questionable flash and got nothing...
Or using flash as well as R when getting 3 man dove top by a Graves, Rakan and Talon and achieving nothing...
Oner getting caught out multiple times; moreover I think he alone used like 10 stopwatches/GAs/Zilean Ults for himself.
Facechecking a random bush when he was 20% HP and they had no vision on Talon...
Some of his prior mid ganks were nice, but ultimately he had a way more insignificant impact on the games compared to Canyon. He didn't play bad, but... he just didn't play well enough.
Yes I am just seemingly randomly (nit-)picking out small mistakes that can happen to everyone, but again, this is the Worlds Semifinal, and those mistakes cost them the match.
Gumayusi, Keria and especially Faker played well.
But I honestly think SKT would have performed better if something was done about their top & jungle...
More like Faker was lacking
I think Canna is fine for what t1 needs in a toplane he just couldn't do anything cause of the draft dif and canyon watching his flanks. Oner is really good mechanically but his jungle macro is honestly bothersome. Someone need to teach him the importance of drakes cause watching him hover botside with bot and mid pushing for almost 3 minutes without taking the free mountain drake is painful to watch
Oner played great throughout the series. Canna played poorly, he looked lost. Faker had a good game on Ryze and Lissandra but in the other Ryze games and Azir he was pretty bad. His Azir Ult missed on gank opportunities and after T1 had 2 DK dead they turn for Baron and can easily win the game after that but Faker was in a bad position so they couldn't take it.
The 5th game was won by T1 when Canna got a great kennen ult with T1 having free baron untill Faker did the mistake to over extend, getting poked by Showmaker and forcing his team to stop going on baron to save him ,burning zilean r, zhonya and his own flash.
I disagree. Faker definetely overstayed mid for a few seconds and got poked down, used Zhonyas at the same time unfortunately Keria used Zilean R.
But in no way the "game was won" and no way they had a free baron.
Oner had a third of his HP left from starting Baron alone, Keria half. Canna had just used (a good) Kennen ult, Faker used his R, no R on Gumayusi Aphelios.
The problem is that Ziggs was full HP and still had his ult, making a baron burst extremely risky. Zoe also obviously has a shit ton of Poke as well as her bubble, making a potentially deadly combo with Ziggs R.
The thing is that if they were to start and continue doing baron, Zoe and Ziggs could poke them down, land a bubble + guaranteed Ziggs R (if it doesnt land then it zones SKT away from baron), and the most important part, a healthy talon with smite and R was on his way. Now this Talon actually (surprisingly lol) built Lethality, so his R would do a shit ton of damage, combined with Zoe poke & bubble + Ziggs R he most definetely would have gotten at least two kills. 100% would have killed Keria.
In any way, T1 would lose some members and would not be able to finish Baron; best case is there would be a smite battle between Oner and Canyon.
If you look at it like that, it actually is not that bad that SKT did not lose a single person and got out with all their lives while killing two members of DWG and stopping them from commiting to Baron.
Also, you might notice that after the two kills, Canna immediately heads to the mid wave and intends to push with the rest of T1 following him. Then they see Ziggs and decide to go to Baron instead. They look very unsure in that moment. Faker decides to clear the mid minions because he has the most (and safest) range; unfortunately he still gets caught out.
But the biggest thing that from my perspective disproves your point is that:
If you look carefully you might also notice that by the time Faker gets poked down, the rest of SKT have not even reached the brush in the middle of top river. They haven't even started Baron and couldn't have safely bursted it down. If Ziggs R wouldn't have been used on Faker here, it would have been used to - guaranteed - hit at least one, probably multiple members of T1 near the pit. Zoe bubble is way easier to land since T1 would be clumped up and she can shoot it from behind a wall (and combo with Ziggs R). And if Zoe didn't hit faker but for example Keria, T1 would't have Zilean R for Baron and the ensuing small fight.
Then again, I could be completely wrong, I am also not an expert on this kind of stuff but that is the way I see things.
Though I am very adamant about this definetely not being a moment where the "game was won by T1" if Faker did not get poked down.
But while rewatching some parts of game 5 I noticed that you are not particularly wrong; Faker did get poked down a lot. He definetely didn't play as well, Showmaker's Zoe is just too good
On a sidenote, the only reason Faker got poked down - chunked by an extended flash range Zoe Q - was ironically because of Canna: He used flash when he landed that two man Kennen R and Zoe picked it up after him. (Obviously this is has no meaning, just kinda funny in this context here.)
I mean, run the roster back. They went from a trainwreck at the end of spring/start of summer to almost certainly the second best team in the world behind the reigning World Champs. Imagine what another full year of growth could do for them
They can either become really good, or suck really hard lol. That is the weird thing about esports, sometimes successful teams crash and burn.
That definetely has some truth to it, yeah.
Considering they have 4 18yo. rookies that are pretty much playing together for the first year, they performed pretty well.
I still think Canna & Oner were lacking, but you are right, I'm looking forward to what they will be able to achieve in the future with more training, teamplay and experience.
That last team fight from DK was disgusting, they didn't even let Faker join in, he literally died without even contributing. Heck, Guma was almost at 1/4 of his hp before it even started.
Yep, it is rare to see a team being able to execute poke comps well. Usually they fail miserably, especially in worlds.
DK's individuals just have godlike execution, so they can pull everything off, they just fuckin turn it on when they want to
I hyperventilated for a few minutes several times. What a fkin series
Lucky to have watched it live
Same pal. I knew we were watching history today
Lol even the Chinese fans are saying this is the real finals. They've lost hope in EDG.
tbh not putting faith is the easiest way to not get disappointed especially if it's edg I don't blame them LOL hope viper has a stellar showing though
Ruler vs Viper matchup should be hype too
mercedes is really pushing those shitty rings
Freaking Showmaker in his interview, "I'm going to practice hard so that we can win in a boring 3-0 in the Finals!"
Showmaker pls. Literally saying "a boring 3-0" -- spare me the 3-0 Finals, I beg you.
The scary thing is Showmaker seems like a man of his word lmao
Can't wait to see how it plays out.
EDG one up him by losing to GenG
I feel like in the last game, had T1 picked Leona and Orianna, they would've had much better engage tools. With Xin acting as a ball delivery system, they would've a much better chance initiating team fights
I would've gone Malphite top too. Maybe Jhin because Aphelios needs gap close but they have so much poke that he can't hit you with Zilean speeding you up. With Jhin you have the range to go in and out with Zilean.
Sure but Leona is not great versus the mobility and poke in that comp. Hard to pin something down and if you get poked twice you aren't able to engage safely.
Ori would be okay but I guess that they just prefer Azir scaling.
In the end you can only pick one champion per role even when a lot of other options are good too.
Faker evolved to…
Faker evolved to trash o:
That’s what I‘m saying. Lul.
if you mean decay from not playing league, only diamond+ lose LP for inactivity now
yeah, you can derank by losing games at every tier
Everyone’s hyping up Showmaker but IMO, Canyon is the best by far. Hopefully he gets MVP
They're pretty different from Faker-Bengi because Canyon is at least equal to Showmaker in individual skill and carry potential, it really just depends on the meta who performs better.
I mean its easy to see the hype around showmaker , he did played tremendously but canyon is def getting mad disrespected , especially in the game 5 . He alone shut down any flank window T1 was looking for
Oner has an insane Lee Sin and Talon, I wanted him on Talon instead of Xin.
They may very well fall just one game short of the grand slam. Holy crap, DK had a monster 2021.
Just like SKT in 2015!
sjokz got that linebacker build
While I'm not a fan of the colour and pattern of her dress, that style fits Sjokz extremely well, she looks really great today.
I hope Joe Marsh doesn't implode this roster. They deserve another chance next season. Don't see any improvement needed. Canna is a confidence player, if he could get over that I think he'll do fine. GG WP Damwon
The best they've performed in the last 3 years, why would he implode this roster lol. At max we'll see Zeus subbed in more often
They won lck 3 splits in a row and made worlds semis in 2019 lol
Yeah bad math on my part lol
I just feel bad for Teddy, he didn't even play a game this tournament, hope he finds a good team for next season if he won't start for T1
What I don’t get about Teddy on T1 is he was performing the best on the team and they never played through bot side. As soon as Guma subbed in they became a bot priority team though LCK playoffs. I’ll be a fan of wherever Teddy goes, I don’t think there is a better ADC in the world and he got screwed by T1.
That’s not to take away from Guma, he doesn’t deserve to be benched now, but neither did Teddy.
I feel like teddy is too passive sometimes.
Yup, poor teddy, was taken away to not even play, the guy is good, but need a good team to show his work
So is this 4 world wins for Kkoma if DK win finals?
Ye, Kkoma may well be the true GOAT.
I don't know about that, he took over a Worlds-winning roster. When he was on LPL Vici was the mediocre team.
well vici had little talent for him to work with, and lpl plays completely differently compared to lck. I wouldn't be surprised if he was just there to learn lpl's play style.
translators wearing masks but showmaker isn't?
I swear it's only done mostly to keep appearances up these days
Casters are saying this is the era where T1 passes the torch to DWK, while this might be true from one point of view, I actually see it as the opposite. T1 literally has 4 18 yr old rookies, FIRST year playing together as a team, and has no real coach. They were literally stumbling in Spring split, but look at far they have came in the span of 1 split: they went to the finals in LCK, and then we saw HUGE improvements since then at World, almost beating DWK.
The players (as a team) clearly can match DWK. I think what was lacking was basically experience and a better coaching staff for drafts (both of which T1 is lacking, and DWK has). Once these are fix, I honestly feel like T1 will be one of the super teams in the future, similar to how DWK came rising up, and take back the torch.
Either way, this narrative of LCK = 1 team region is definitely gone. Grats to both teams for playing super well.
It’s crazy to think that had this been a best of three skt would have won 😳
If it was a best of three the teams would've prepped and drafted completely differently
Holy shit the saltyness from t1 fans in this thread
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Or you could be a sane human and not go bitching at everyone and coming up with wack scenarios. Take the loss on the chin, and move on. Not a difficult concept
Half the T1 fans are claiming they were the better team today and DK lucked out the win, they want to blow up the roster, they are refusing to simply acknowledge the loss. Crying about it and lashing out only makes you look like a loser
Only people really should be flamed are the toxic T1 fans. Grow up and realize SKT is dead and that your toxicity is misdirected
Geez man grow up and realize you can applaud another team doing well if if they wrecked your team. Or go keep crying idc
Dude khan used to play for skt. You forgot so soon? I think what you’re trying to say is faker is washed. So just come out and say that smh
What the fuck? I didn’t a mention Faker or any of the players anywhere. I adore Faker and T1, but DK was the better team. You just want drama
^ Most mentally stable T1 fan
No need to insult people, acting like a child is not the way to go.
I like that you saying it to me, while it's a response to all those shit talkers who can't say a simple ''gg'' and have to flame the losing team.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
I don't care and you shouldn't care about the flamers. There's more important things to get upset about. If you want to get your point across insults are not necessary too.
I don't have any points to assholes like those in this reddit, it's not even a debate, it's just shit talkers who love to being so toxic to the losing team, I'm a 100% sure that if DWG would have lost, people would have been toxic as well.
It’s not saltiness. I just wanted a Korean team to win. Looks like we are on schedule for that. God y’all can’t let someone make a comment without taking it as a personal attack 😖 but seeing as folks expected skt to lost 0–3 it’s incredible that they’ve played this well. And they have a really good chance at winning this thing- hence my comment.
And if this was a bo1, DK would've won. Wtf is this comment lmao
If it was a bo7 we would've been still looking at live games.
If it was a bo101, we’d be here for a while
Something saddening about watching Kkoma celebrating the win with DK while T1 sit there broken, idk if it’s bitter sweet, but it was just something i couldn’t help but feel.
My flair finals is possible, hopium!
Most Talons would have probably just looked to flank the Aphelios and lost the game, the way Canyon tried to make Kennen worthless instead by basically having a private 1vs1 all game in the jungle was class.
Canna and KHAN were neck and neck competing to see who could be the most useless top this series
This series was a jungling masterclass by Canyon. I felt bad for canna cause people will be flaming him for not doing anything that last game but it was just canyon watching his flanks the whole game
Man i wanted t1 to win and they almost had it but DK is just too good. On the flip side, im glad DK won as it may reduce the chance canyon and SM leaving lck. They have a good chance of beating SKT dynasty.
Imagine Worlds 2021 will be Worlds 2016 all over again, with GenG sweeping EDG, and force DK to a game 5 after being down 0-2 because DK subbed in Malrang for skins, only to lose to a Jhin in the end.
That's a script that I don't know if I want to see again.
Malrang didn't go to Iceland. They took the substitute adc, I think they could only take 1 substitute, limited people coz of covid.
From what I've heard, they can get 2 subs since T1 had Teddy and Cuzz as subs if I remember.
It depends on the team, each team were allowed to bring 12 people. Damwon chose to bring three coaches, six players, and one person each from management, operations, and video content.
Welp Rahel, it's time for you to go jungle lol
That's plagiarism lmao. Atleast change it to Ghost inting and Rahel saving the day.
what happened in 2016 ?
SSG ended up pushing SKT (who looked super dominant) to 5 games after being down 0-2 and like 11k gold in game 3. SKT Ultimately won 3-2 but it turned a 3-0 into the closest finals we have ever had.
SKT and ROX went to 5 games, the same way what happened to T1 vs DK. SKT won the 1st game, while ROX won games 2 & 3, but SKT prevails in the end, winning games 4 & 5, just like the T1 vs DK today. While SSG beats H2K 3-0 to face SKT, lose the first 2 games, then Game 3, SKT subbed in Blank, and SSG found a way to win Games 3 & 4. But in Game 5, they lose to a Jhin.
Ironically, GenG was SSG in 2016. So, if they win against EDG via sweep, they might replicate what happened in 2016.
I love poke games.
The last one was one of the best I have ever seen.
do you also like watching paint dry
I usually hate poke comps because the poke never lands!! But DK was actually able to pull it off, proud of them.
god my heart…congrats to dk for making it through!! part of me hopes the finals are a little less stressful
Daeny and kkoma taking revenge vs T1 and their toxic fanbase
Showmaker is scary, yo\~!
Good matches. But a little boring. Almost all games came down to one or two teamfights. And the draft. Not many dives. Lots of trading. Also, it annoys the heck out of me that every DK member buys 2 pinks everytime they back. It makes games so snowbally because tracking low mobility junglers becomes trivial and supports cannot reliably clear out those wards.
It's because the games often had such high quality that it was a game of macro chess instead of a dive and chase clownfiesta followed with 15 minutes of aram.
Early games in first 3 games I think have shown us the highest quality of LoL so far this year.
I understand that. But we already know that teams can play super aggro and still be high quality. Its just that this year, we didn't see that with the poor showing of the LPL and LEC. Nothing against this type of play. But when both teams play this way, its just a little boring. /:
Yo it's worlds semis not bronze clash
it’s not silver solo queue..
Tfw teams play to win
"team with most wins"
It's not same roster casters. Stop giving credit to oner/canna/guma/keria they didn't earn.
Why aren't you saying the same for all they say about showmaker? He still is 1-2 championship below faker. Yet they still are saying stuff like he has accomplished more than faker.
Not to mention 9 domestic titles, 2 (3?) MSI titles, and still being relevant (and one of the top mids) after EIGHT years.
So while I agree that Shoemaker is better mechanically than Faker atm, in terms of accomplishments it's still loooong way to go.
Past acomplishments don't mean squat in a real-time Bo5.
The comment in discussion isn't talking about Bo5 though.
The way you worded it was like saying him beating Faker, who garnered said accomplishments wasn't a big enough deal. I'm just saying it is. It takes time to gain more accomplishments and Faker's been playing far longer.
I never said it wasn't a big accomplishment to beat Faker, I'm just saying that accomplishment doesn't equate to the mountain of accomplishments Faker already has. Also, nowhere did I ever said he won't ever get there. All I'm saying is that he has a long way to go to overtake Faker.
You can go outside now
Anyone have the viewership numbers?
I guess random Zoe sleeps and across map 100% to 0% HP is definition of balanced. Like T1 was dying and they didn't even see their enemies yet. Start a play get pocket out of it. Got to contest get picked back. Like. Hmm
Kkoma absolutely demolished Stardust in that game 5 and damwon played the comp flawlessly to counter zilean, just admit DK where the better team
Instead of trying to find excuses by blaming champions you should acknowledge that DK was better today
No they weren't
Cry more they outclassed T1
That's some massive copium my guy
Bull. The game winning play in that last match was the ziggs stopping the four man back at Baron. His long range ult was the reason they couldn't recuperate properly throughout the match. If Zoe is busted then so is Ziggs.
buddy i don’t think anyone is gonna argue with you on that one
i feel bad for the next semifinals match like the performance of the teams in that match will be compared to this one and it probably wont be close
the brutal truth to all competitors is, that these 2 wins were basically pulled off bcs ghost postioned poorly one time with draven and well yeah second thing was the zilean pick.
so gj to T1 they are a good team with a lot of potential for the next years, but imo this was closer from being 3-1 DK than 3-2 T1
DK would not have easily won game 2 even if Ghost did not miss position, the Draven pick was not effective against T1's comp at all.
true but if he plays this fight right, they probably smash them considering how clean dk plays out advantages. they barely make any mistakes. draven was kind of a troll pick and it didnt work out. this series is 3-1 if dk doesnt decide to troll pick/ban
I hope final is as good as this match.
Going off history, it wont be. In another Universe T1 dropps to lower bracket and face DK again in grand finals rematch tho.
We have this scenario almost every single year but riot refuses to give us lower bracket lmao
Because if they add lower bracket western teams will have 0% chance of ever winning worlds, and would almost never even make finals. They'd rather have more upsets than the best finals every year.
Beryl was fine but Canyon and Showmaker dragged Ghost and Khan over the finish line. They've had good tournaments so far but absolute stinker of a series for both of them.
It'll be a while before either of them can contest Faker's title, but IMO if they win finals Canyon and Showmaker are a good contender for GOAT jg-mid duo. Their variance is so small, even at their worst games they are world class, and at their best they're best in the world respectively.
If Damwon just keeps that duo and surrounds them with decent talent they'll keep printing titles.
Ghost had a great series
IDK if I agree that Ghost had a stinker series, but Khan definitively did.
He really threaded the needle with those Ziggs ults on targets that Showmaker slept. True MVP
I don't think Khan is bad, he wasn't given game making champions this series, and was pressured pretty hard by oner.
Problem with getting a super star adc is that they might not be willing to play utility for showmaker and canon the same way ghost is.
Khan is definitely not bad, he's probably been peaking in his career up until now at worlds, just a pretty bad series from him.
This series wasn't really top side focused at all. If you look at both top laners, both of them didn't really had impact on the any game for whole series.
For Ghost he has done what he supposed to actually. Especially game 5 his ults were on point.
Also yeah Canyon/SM best jungle/mid duo in the world but DK won this series as a team excluding game 4 ofcourse :D
No! D:< EDG go
Ggs. Heart's broken but well played to dwg. They played insanely well. Only thing I wanted from this series was less emphasis on top side for t1 when Canna has been messing up consistently.
Yeah guma focus would have been good since he hard carried both wins and invisible when behind.
Felt like Azeal pushed hard the narrative of the "rookies" on T1.
Cmon , Jackey won Worlds at as rookie and LCK brought entire DWG and Griffin at Worlds in 2019...
Just a small correction Griffin were rookies in 2018 not 2019
He reached finals as a rookie, won worlds the next year
ah, my mistake
I mean did you see some of Canna's plays this series.. For sure rookie nerves were a thing
Isn’t canna in his 2nd year?
fuck man.. DK played poke with such finesse, i hate it but i gotta give them credit. gg
At the end it was like Rox vs Skt. Rox won 2 games after losing the first one and lost at the end. Canyon + Showmaker probably the best duo ever. I hope they can win next week.
Alright so tsm faker?
No, he isnt washed yet wait a year or two
Canyon killing Oner, flanking at that Nash flip, then winning the smite fight. He's the best jungler in the history of this game.
you just know t1 fans are punching the air right now
nah. Im a t1 fan and Im just happy LCK got back the respect they deserved. No shame in pushing the best team to their limits
GJ to both teams. Both played well.
Canyon with disgustingly good vision awareness all game, getting some insane flanks. Showmaker landing some crazy bubbles and staying safe (until that last death to Aphelios turret LOL), and Ghost following up with big damage.
T1 played damn well too, though.
Great series from Dk, wanted T1 to win but happy for their showing till semis at least. Could have won today with Canna playing a better Kennen in the last game but unfortunately just too behind.
Ended up with 10 or so drops today, pretty nice
If DK wins this worlds, I'd say Showmaker/Canyon is the best Mid/Jgl duo of all time over Faker/Bengi.
They would still need another cup, bengi/faker are still ahead of them overall.
They gotta win another Worlds after this one to say that lol
Sounds like you believe Bill Russel is better than Michael Jordan.
No, but Lebron>Jordan fight me
Lol, that's even more against what you said about Showmaker/Canyon not being the best all time since LBJ has less rings than MJ.
Yeah definately they're really good. Ghost is their weak link by far and Khan was a bit suspect today
Faker retire please
That azir sprint into a whiffed ult sums up faker for the past 5 years
wow, not something you hear everyday from a t1 fan
On the contrary. It’s because I’m a T1 fan I actually want the org to do well. I’m sick of keeping faker just because he’s faker
It’s so hard to play when u have a gaping hole in mid…
While canna getting caught so many times in all games.. :v canna should probably retire now.
Shoemaker cringe face 🤮