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BagODnuts55

I can just look at John C Reilly and laugh my ass off.....


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Gustavo_Fring1

Some base the entire show of them being that, and I get mad, they're just gay versions of movies just revolving around people being straight except now it's gay that's it


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epicpixels654654

It's sad that some people actually get mad when you point this out.


thiccboymexi

WDYM ITS NOT A PERSONALITY TRAIT, SUCKING DICK IS SO UNIQUE TO HIM/THEM


Cl0p38

If you say this on Twitter you'll die instantly lmao


thiccboymexi

Oh I’m well aware, I’ve already had two accounts cancelled


No_Dark9287

I believe you lol


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No_Dark9287

Hilarious coz people are stupid but sad that our future doesn’t look bright, at least for now.


ISG2008

Future looks bright for some, just not yt christian males according to sources


That-one-guy-man

How lazy do you have to be to use “yt” it looks stupid and acronym is already taken


dracocytod

It lowkey turned into a badge of honor


Bigppcrewleader

edgy


Morshellow

Bruh what do you mean I only say im gay so people will give me attention and notice me cause I’m not actually gay and am just a piece of shit don’t take that away from me /s


thiccboymexi

That /s isn’t doing to many wonders my guy lmao


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MorningFox

Well yes and no. Being queer really does change your day to day life aswel as giving you unique experiences that you develop and grow from. This might sound shocking but Big Mouth did a great job at this


That-one-guy-man

Isn’t Big Mouth the one where they show uncensored naked kids regularly?


MorningFox

Yeah. They had one character that's openly gay to ever soul on the planet... Except for his day. Than there's another character that come from the most toxic, loveless, family you can imagine. Now when he realizes he's Bi he tries to hid it cause he knows it'll be endless torture from his siblings. These are experiences that will fundamentally change how you approach the world.


Babybnuuyboy

Big mouth is a fucking disgusting cartoon that perfectly captures how fucked up western cartoons have become


ex25321409

Getting mad at a TV show for including a person who is gay and nothing else: good Getting mad at a TV show for including a gay person: bad


Overlorde159

Agreed. That’s why I’m mildly touchy about people complaining about it being a “personality type”, because too often it’s because they want an excuse to complain about lgbt characters being included in anything


keres666

>Getting mad at a TV show for including a gay person: bad The issue is also rewriting established characters and being like "OH HE'S GAY NOW"


m4rkoh

Is it sad or is it fucking hilarious


keres666

>It's sad that some people actually get mad when you point this out. Its the same thing with skin color... SHE'S BLACK! ... ... Ok so other than being the Token black girl in the show about Polish Medieval Mythology... whos supposed to be a redhead btw... why is she a thing?


Vexed_Writer

What the hell is with that? Every time there's a redhead in a story it's like code to cast a black actor to play them.


oxabz

Or hear me out, it's just an unlikely hypothetical hypothesis, but maybe they get mad because "guh! Being LGBTQ+ is not a character trait" is a ''criticism'' wielded by reactionaries at cool LGBT characters because they are weirded out by representation. Then again it's just a theory! A "have you been 5minutes on the internet" theory!


Zaratonus

It’s less about representation and more about not wanting to watch a “coming out” story every time I try to watch something on Netflix. If you want to have a gay MC, have a gay MC, but I don’t want to spend half the narrative watching them discover and then come to terms with their gayness. It’s not shocking or brave anymore. It’s wallpaper.


oxabz

But that not really related to the meme tho. You just pivoted. I understand not wanting to watch exclusively coming out stories. But that not what the meme is about tho.


keres666

>But that not really related to the meme tho. You just pivoted. I understand not wanting to watch exclusively coming out stories. But that not what the meme is about tho. If they added gay characters it would be absolutely fine. When they start off a show by being all "WE MADE THE MAIN CHARACTER GAY" when it comes from something thats established its fucking cringe. Making the main character gay just for the sake of having "A gay" is tokenism which is also cringe. Having everything that revolves around a character and treating their sexuality like its fucking veganism or doing crossfit and having every moment of their lives revolve around enjoying penises and how much they enjoy them is fucking annoying and makes me wish they just murdered the character off screen or shot them into the sun or something.


Atlant1k99

personally unless its relevant to whatever is going on in the show, should it even matter if they're gay? like id rather find out a character is gay later as a key point in the plot rather than it just be shoved right in the beginning for diversity


mydickisasalad

This is why I love Brooklyn Nine Nine. They have race and gender diversity yet none of them feel forced.


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_isNaN

Did you just copied my comment dude?


oxabz

You're right Brooklyn Nine Nine is amazing representation but we shouldn't hold LGBT characters to higher standard than other characters I hope you're standard for representation isn't Brooklyn 99 because you're going to get disappointed constantly.


Communist_flash

There are generally two types of LGBT+ characters: - Those who are LGBT+, but actually have personalities and are generally like-able, like David from Schitt’s Creek, and Oscar from the office. - Those who are LGBT+ and have no personality, or only exist to be LGBT+, like Dreamer from Supergirl, who contributes nothing to the story that couldn’t have easily been done by any other character, and constantly reminds everyone she’s trans basically every 15 minutes.


Ace_like_a_boss

I think it's important for representations sake. Gay/lesbian/bi/pan/asexual/trans,... people exist in real life so why shouldn't that be reflected in TV shows and films? It can be very nice to see someone you can relate with on screen, and it helps normalising seeing LGBTQ+ people in general as well. But as pointed out being something other than straight or cis is not a personality trait, and queer people in tv shows should still be worked out as characters the same way straight characters in that same tv show would be worked out. Which is also why I agree that the LGBTQ+ characters in shows shouldn't be shoved in right at the beginning. Let them make some off handed jokes about it, or if they need a partner for the plot's sake give them a same sex partner, but don't shove the stereotypes in peoples faces from the very beginning of the show. Most LGBTQ+ people don't act like that in real life either and the stereotypes are just overdone and annoying


JerinDd

The owl house has great representation. Luz is her own character with character traits and character flaws. She learns and grows throughout the show. She’s also bi. The show never brings it up or draws attention to it, it’s treated just like any heterosexual relationship is. And don’t even get me started on Amity.


spirit-slayer

How about we don't represent either in media like who gives a fuck


DemiBlonde

Good point. Representing romantic relationships of any sort is now punishable by death. Is that better?


spirit-slayer

Against death penalty but I can make a exception based


DemiBlonde

Are you saying you’re ok with heterosexual relationship representation but not LGBT?


spirit-slayer

Are you dumb but seriously I just said no relationships please its annoying hearing conservatives and progressives argue over meaningless things although that what both ideologies are about


Sweetness4455

No relationships in TV shows? Weird.


spirit-slayer

Fair enough but I don't think it should be shoe horned lgbt or not


Double-Ad7269

idk straight exist too but i don't see porn clips in kids cartoon ?


ConsumeTheBaby

wtf you on about???


IndianaGeoff

Of course it's for the plot. Once all the gay characters, trans, illegal immigrants, women, communist/socialist, democrat/liberal and all the other check boxes are filled, we know what white guy is the murder/villian/abuser/wife leaver/child abuser/jerk.


Sweetness4455

Which show are you referring to?


Interesting_Shirt438

All of them


Sweetness4455

Yeah, that’s what I thought.


oxabz

Oh come victim complex much?


WillTheWAFSack

That's exactly what we want. We don't want a gay character who's only gay for the sake of being gay, we want a character that just happens to be gay


MorningFox

Surprisingly one of the best shows for this has to be Big Mouth


Heyitsme715

But why does it have to be a major plot point? Why can't it just be that the character is saving the world or whatever, and they're also gay? Do you also have issues with straight couples in TV shows when it isn't relevant to the plot?


Atlant1k99

no i just really dont give a shit if someone is gay or straight unless it has some relevancy, like if there is a significant other or something that is also relevant to the plot. if its about some random dude/girl that literally has no intimate moments/worthless intimate moments with another person, i dont care about their sexuality. thats why i dont really like it when people say "oh this character that literally has never done anything and probably will never do anything worthwhile to show theyre sexuality is gay"


cakatooop

Fear Street did this right, Umbrella Academy did this wrong


WillTheWAFSack

How did The Umbrella Academy do it wrong? I feel like Klaus is a really well written character Edit: And don't try to say that Klaus being gay wasn't relevant, they literally went back in time to when gay people were just starting to be more open, and saying that Klaus being gay isn't relevant to that is like saying Allison being black isn't relevant


Vexed_Writer

I'm pretty sure they're referring to Vanya


WillTheWAFSack

What about Vanya? Vanya literally just fell in love with some farm lady. That's literally the least forced thing possible


Vexed_Writer

That romance felt forced. There was nothing to indicate she was bi in the first season, and given the setting it felt out of place. It also used up nearly all of her screen time in the second season, sacrificing time that could have been used to show her coming to grips with her powers and the fact that she nearly destroyed the world. Instead we got, "Hey look everyone, she's LGBT+ now!" Definitely felt more like checking a box than meaningful character development.


WillTheWAFSack

I don't know, I felt like it was relevant considering that it was showing the struggles that LGBTQ+ people went through in the 1960s, but I kinda see what you mean. I just don't think it was forced enough to be considered "bad representation"


Vexed_Writer

Maybe not bad representation, but definitely lackluster story telling, and given that most people watch a show like Umbrella Academy to be entertained, I feel like it's a bad move to sacrifice entertainment value in order to push politics. It's kind of like an annoying add in the middle of a video you're trying to watch. It could be a really great product, but if every video I try to watch is constantly interrupted to shove it in my face, I'm going to get frustrated and I'm not going to buy their product, you know? Or I guess in this specific case it would be like a significant runtime of a movie or episode being devoted to obvious product placement. Same effect.


WillTheWAFSack

Push politics? How is that pushing politics? LGBTQ+ people aren't some political thing, society just calls us that


Vexed_Writer

Right, you're people. You are a person. But lazily shoehorning in as many LGBTQ+ characters as narratively possible at the expense of screen time, real character development, and story quality is just virtue signaling among the Hollywood set, and *that* is politics.


FilthyPrawns

Q-Force anyone?


RedBaronHarkonnen

Spy fiction is oversexed and overdramatic in general. Probably because real spying would get terrible ratings.


Busy-Okra-7732

Oh man did you see that realistic spy thriller? 2 hours of Oscar Isaac, going to the same office everyday and faxing stuff. Then at the end! He had to print something out and carry it out of there, it was incredible!


QuantumZee

Literally the stereotypical sexist racist show I have ever watched


Overlorde159

To be perfectly honest for how harmful it is it’s also homophobic.


AnythingAllTheTime

You can actually see which season Money Heist was bought by Netflix because that was the season they added trans & gay & pansexual characters lol


If_time_went_back

Except they did them well, lol.


Trimungasoid

Watched the first episode. So meh.


JerinDd

Tokenism is kinda not very cool, buckeroo.


DrMahlek

Too many people get mad when this is mentioned.


Overlorde159

The issue is that a fair amount of time this is raised because people want to complain about queer characters being added at all.


ButteredNugget

Yeah, they dont realize their ‘token gay best friend’ characters arent good representation, and characters of minority groups still need actual growth and personality apart from ‘lookee here! gay! this is what you wanted yes? ok! enough of that, now back to the main cast of cis straight white people in love triangles!!!!!’


apolloxijedi

Patton Oswalt talks about that in one of his stand ups https://youtu.be/7sFyyGV9egM


nottherealyobama

ok


Trick-Win6428

Why does it have virus veteran under your name?


ARandom_Personality

Flair


Trick-Win6428

A okay thanks!


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subirbfxdgdhk59

same too


camilopezo

The problem is that people tend to be very picky about gay characters, even if they aren't picky about straight characters: ​ \-If the Gay character never shows an interest in romance, then people will complain, "So what did they make him gay for in the first place?" \-If the Gay character shows an interest in romance, then people will complain, "The character's personality revolves around his sexual orientation."


_isNaN

Not really, most shows do it just badly. In most cases it feels like, they added a gay character just to have one. Look at Brooklyn 99, they do a great job at - but it's rare.


oxabz

Brooklyn 99 is one the best sitcoms in term of characterisation right up there with Community. I'm willing to bet you watched plenty of shows and film with worse characterisation and didn't go "Wait a minute! I'm not sure if that straight character was correctly introduce."


Sir-Greggor-III

That's because most of the time they don't use being straight as a stereotype. Whereas as the opposite is true with homosexual characters. Being gay shouldn't be the defining trait of a character. It's bad writing and it's cringy as fuck the times it happens in real life. No one should be entirely defined or define themselves by a single trait, whether it be religion, race, or yes even sexuality. People are usually more complex than that and if you do it in a show I don't care how good the rest of it is I'm going to criticize it.


Sweetness4455

I'm appreciating all your comments on this thread. This one is a losing battle though, but I appreciate you putting up the fight.


Ol_bagface

well openly gay characters are rare or rather used to be. But nowadays with companys trying so desparatly to be woke some LGBTQ+ characters seem forced. Not saying that there arent good modern(or older LGTBQ+ chars (tbh none come to mind atm but im sure there are).


Pficky

Forreeaaallllll. Us gays are out here being gay for literally no reason. Why do TV characters need a reason to be gayyy.


camilopezo

Gays exist in real life.


demaxzero

Really seems to be a damned if you do, damned if you don't thing.


camilopezo

Yeah, basically.


ZorkDaGod_YT

it’s okay to have lgbt characters but like, don’t stereotype them or make that the whole point of the character


ShinyMercenary

What is even a personality trait nowadays idk


wwwsgwd

I think these days it's best we find or relay ..idk


Shivshanks

Aquaman was a cool guy that drank alcohol. I believe that was this entire arc. I mean people think they're scoring points complaining about gay characters not having deep writing. it's like dude there is no deep writing. representation does matter.


Promah1984

There is definitely deep writing. Pointing out the sexual identity of someone should be a character trait, not a character personality.


hugthemachines

Aquaman's diary is deep writing.


flipper0w0

I hate people who thinks this way and I’m literally a homosexual. Just live your fucking life, you don’t have to put it in shirts or walk around looking like you should have a pot of gold at the tips of your toes.


Sweetness4455

But isn't that someone just living their life? If they want to put it on a T-shirt why does that bother you? That's literally them living their life...unless you feel assaulted by slogans on T-shirts...


flipper0w0

Well i suppose it doesn’t bother me i just don’t see the point. All of history we have been trying to make people understand that were just as normal as them and then try to stand out. But then again people should have the freedom to do what they want. I have no clue... I’m indecisive. Personally its not me.


flipper0w0

This makes me look very bipolar


MjballIsNotDead

A *single* trait? Maybe. Your whole personality? Nah that's just sad


Zithero

Make Character First. Reveal they're gay as a complete afterthought. Like Tracer/Soldier in Overwatch


airyys

thing is, people fucking hated that too. everyone going "why is that even important to her character!!!!" "no politic in my vidya!!!". the people who would complain about gay people in media are the same people that would complain about overwatch. there was also the whole thing with symmetra being autistic people saying the same thing. and zarya...


AllButComedyAnthony

Some people certainly act like it is thooo


Hot-Surprise-8498

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jetsneedlegs70

id say its a personality trait, but a *trait not a personality*


Camelia-wolfgirl

I still think that netflix did much more rep than Disney & Cn united(not saying su,toh,at or any other show did it badly,I actually live all those three but in their animated series(esp those targeted towards children and teens,those are the ones i like)are more casual with it tbh.


WillTheWAFSack

I definitely agree that a character who's only trait is being LGBTQ+ is not good representation. Good representation is a character who is a well writtern, round character, but just happens to be gay. That's why I love The Umbrella Academy so much (even though it is a netflix show) because even though Klaus being gay is a huge part to his story, it's not his only trait and he's still an incredibly well written character.


Zal2910

Soo the " + " is mean the premium version huh?


vyndreyl

Neither is being straight, yet that's 007's ENTIRE thing.


MaskyKinda

Netflix doesn't understand gay people lets be honest


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Opposite_Present_663

i wish nefilx did lgbt characters like disney did with the owl house


oxabz

Except they do at least in the case on She-Ra. Like I'd even go as far as to say that while being less cute catradora is more interesting than luminity. Excluding some future development


Opposite_Present_663

I forgot about that show, it's amazing


hamzila_is_alive

No one: Netflix: Overly LGBTQ+ Cast


oxabz

What show ? Like gimme da shows !


hamzila_is_alive

sure thing buddy Shows: Sex Education Elite He's All that That's all i could get for now since it was on my sisters account T


oxabz

Wow that a whole lot of show. Three show is like my yearly consumption of show. If my monthly consumption was my yearly consumption.


Amphibutter

And not just someone, when us gay people tell them that. I am a member of the lgtbq community and open about it, and these shows absolutely infuriate me.


oxabz

What show?


Sebacles

the shows on the thing !


Sweetness4455

Exactly! This entire thread about "shows that does this type of thing" but there isn't one person point out a show that does this....


Ok-Ad-2605

I’m a gay man and I get annoyed when I meet other gay men that act like being gay is a personality and everything they do has to revolve around it.


superpronoober

yea when did fucking assholes become a personality trait?


ihatethesidebar

Lol I know some gay people whose personality trait is exactly that


CreeperTrainz

I’m actually curious, are there any characters like this? There probably are tons, but I can’t think of any off the top of my head.


oxabz

Because they aren't that many? Like the fact that you can think one on the top of your head is proof of how shit that meme is.


CreeperTrainz

I expected as much. I honestly haven’t seen a single LGBT character whose entire arc is being LGBT (unless that was the plot of the story). In fact, it’s often the other way around.


BloodDragonSniper

Q Force


cormac596

Sexuality/gender/etc is a character trait in the same way being left-handed is. That is to say, only if the writers are so lazy that it's their _only_ feature.


oxabz

But weirdly characters who's only character trait is being trans get way more shit than other bad character? So odd? Probably not due to any latente transphobia in society, right?


SLYMAN69

Because it’s overused and unoriginal.


MorningFox

As a queer person; It kinda is. It's something that affects my day to day life and that all my friend and family know about. To write a queer character straight just kinda comes off as erasure. Hell if you've seen Loki you know exactly what I mean, It's almost written specifically to be easily edited out. TLDR: I'd bet money this was written by a straight person


MrPotatoMan5000

It’s not a personality trait tho, liking men or liking women affects your personality as much as liking blue or liking red does.


MorningFox

Yeah except my favorite color can't get me kicked out of my house, or attack onto he streets, or passed over for a job. It's less about sexual preference and more about how it affects everything else in your life. Edit: AutoCorrect sucks


MrPotatoMan5000

Yeah it affects how people treat you, but the sexuality is not a personality trait, that’s what I’m saying, it shouldn’t matter that much, that’s the point. It’s stupid to treat a person differently for what they like, because liking one thing doesn’t change the person you are, so in the end we actually agree, it’s not a personality.


Moonsoket

If it isn't a personality trait to be gay, then why do so many straight people make being straight part of their personality? I think the reason is because your sexual orientation is a big part of your personality. It is not your entire personality, but to be honest, I haven't seen characters in shows that are only there to be gay. I don't watch too much new TV now-a-days, but still... Oh, and in case you were wondering, I am a straight guy.


MrPotatoMan5000

How do people makes their personality “being straight”? I have never met anyone whose personality is their sexual orientation, it’s like saying that your personality is being afraid of spiders, like how does that even work?


EuskalTortilla

except you’re not stigmatised for liking red or blue


MrPotatoMan5000

Aright... so? Does that make it a personality trait? Because nobody is talking about that, so I don’t know why you bring that up.


Sweetness4455

I think what people are saying is being gay is apart of the make up of their personality. Their personality would be different if they were straight, simply because of the way the world treats them. Now, what everyone here is complaining about is shitty characters. Straight or Gay. There are shows with great characters and there are shows with bad characters. I think some people are having issues with this only being an issue about Gay characters and there aren't may threads about shitty straight characters being a problem on Netflix.


MrPotatoMan5000

I agree, but the thing is, what Netflix does is make characters that their only reason to exist is to be gay, they have absolutely no personality and their only purpose is to be gay, being gay is all they do as an excuse to “pander to gay people” and get people to watch the show, which is quite insulting to gay people, to use them like that, instead of creating an actual good character who just happens to be gay (like Captain Holt in Brooklin 99, great character, full of personality, and he just so happens to be gay, no big deal, normal just like real gay people). That’s the issue, and they don’t make characters that are just there to be straight and have no personality or any reason to exist other than being straight in order to have an excuse to call itself woke and get straight people to watch it.


ChikenNuggyBoi

Making the main character lgbtq EVERY SINGLE TIME doesn’t make the stories good, Netflix, It makes them worse, when you spam gay


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ChikenNuggyBoi

I mean Netflix thinks that they can make an entire show good by making the main character lesbian or something, but it doesn’t work that way. Example: >!She-Ra!< They thought they could boost the entire show by making >! catra and adora in love!<


Shivshanks

it's not like they are doing deep writing for any characters anyway. representation matters though. I really don't understand why people that get so triggered by it. people get mad when they add in a different gendered storyline to an already existing character and say you should just make your own characters. and then they get mad at the new characters and set up review bombs...


Ketchup571

It’s just standard homophobia hiding behind a Mott and Bailey defense. It’s basically the same argument as “I have no problem with gay people, I just don’t want them in my face about it.” That you’ll see about pride parades and whatnot. Now it’s “iI have no problem with homosexual characters, I just don’t want any indication that they’re homosexual”. Not to mention being homosexual will have an effect on a person’s personality. They were likely bullied when young and still face a world where a significant amount of people don’t accept them whether overtly or subtlety.


ninjaroxas

I got builled to varying degrees for being a ginger till like highschool but I'm not trying to say it defines me or trying to use it as an excuse to do whatever I want and accuse anyone who disagrees with me of being an awful person lol


Ketchup571

Homosexuals don’t try to use their sexuality to try “to do whatever they want,” nor accuse people who disagree with them as being terrible people (depending on nature of disagreement, but I’m assuming you mean disagreements in general and not just disagree as in a distaste for homosexuals). But where a movement to start that consistently complains about the inclusion of “gingers” in media whether overtly or using some excuse, you’d likely be unhappy about this. On top this, I don’t mean to discount your experience, any form of bullying, especially for things that one cannot control is terrible, and gingers do face unfair stigma, especially when young from other kids/teens, but the hate lgbt members face is a whole different level. There’s no serious movement against ginger marriages, you’ll never have someone refuse to serve you for being gingers, and no one will use religion to attack you and expect the government to back them.


Dangerous-Issue-9508

Because /r/fragilewhiteredditor


Jesus-christ-akagod

Theres only one group acting fragile in this comment section and it's a certain alphabetically inclined people.


YouSir_1

Some people make it into their personality though


beyonddisbelief

This is what I hate about a lot of new series nowadays. I don't care if they're some oppressed minority, they need more purpose to the plot than tokenism and more personality, competancy, and interests in subject matter other than their identity. Just because they're a member of a protected class also shouldn't make them the de facto authority in the show on the subject matter. (Mass Effect 3 did a good job at subverting that trope with the Protean soldier not knowing jack about their culture) Every "inclusive" role in Netflix originals has story arcs that exclusively revolves around their identity and nothing else.


Sweetness4455

Which Netflix originals are you referring to?


Adventurous-Style-80

LGBT SHOULDNT EXIST EZ WITH YA


Blasphoumy69

I watched Q-force in one sitting and kinda enjoyed it


Pm_Me_Memes_Yeet

It can be a personality trait, but it can't the entire personality


RedBoxGaming

If you're gay, you don't want to be known as "Gay Guy" for the rest of your life. How about something that makes you interesting such as your taste in music? Your sexuality only matters if you want to date/have a relationship with someone.


Pm_Me_Memes_Yeet

I know, being gay should be a minor trait of a character's personality but shouldn't be the whole personality Edit: not should, but can


usernamelikemydick

What this is really about is you and those like you just hate gay people and hate seeing them in TV shows or media in general. Then you try to justify your desire for them to be erased by bitching about how being gay can't be their whole personality. Go fuck yourself, homophobe.


rainbowshulkerbox

nice satire bro


Jesus-christ-akagod

Nobody hates you. You just want people to hate you to help you fill the empty hole where a personality should reside


Weird-Contact1800

You know how


crusaderofculture

Yes


spoodersloth

It is tho


tectonics-overri

So I was just going to call it a dick move


oxabz

Remember when r/memes wasn't filled with reactionary memes?


Beeswarmweeb

I mean your not wrong but animesexual