By - Ernest_Hemingay
The block by #5...
I was about to say the same thing. I’ve never seen a ref get that close to being right in the middle of the play before.
I’ve seen times when refs ended up being in the way, but I’ve never seen one run straight into the middle of the line of scrimmage like a linebacker filling a lane.
lmao I spent way too long looking for 5 in white
That's really what broke the play open. LB was in the perfect spot to stop the run had the ref not made a textbook shoulder block.
I spent an emberassing amount of time looking for a #5 on the cowboys
Amen! He was the key to Smith getting past the second level 😂
I’m a Dallas native and I never heard them called the Great Wall of Dallas until they did that doc on them a couple years back.
Really? I remember renting NFL books from my school library that referenced them as that back in like 2004.
Yeah really. Even my local sports station was laughing at it. Shout out to all the P1s and V1s out there.
I mean you can drive a bus through that hole… Jesus
In case anyone needs visual reference for why Steve DeBerg has more TDs than Aikman...
Why throw ball when run ball do trick?
Some of those Cowboys offenses were ridiculous. Newton, Stepnoski, Allen, Williams and Tuinei all made multiple pro bowls and every one of them might have wound up in the hall if we didn't get tired of voting Cowboys linemen in. Throw in an excellent blocking fullback and tight end in Daryl Johnson and Jay Novacek and a hall of fame quarterback-reciever combo in the heart of their prime if they pack the box and those Cowboys teams were some of the most stacked offenses of all-time.
That Emmitt only averaged 4.2 yards per carry with the Cowboys is a stinging indictment imo and while I usually accept a range of opinions if he's your RB goat I think you are straight up wrong.
I love me some watered down half ass mmqb analysis from an eagles fan. You understand Allen was the only HoF lineman he played with right? Nate Newton’s only popular bc Madden liked that he was fat and liked to eat. You also realize his whole line was a bunch of castoffs other teams didn’t want till Jimmy got them and they got good together with Emmitt right?
And McNabb was one of the most trash overrated qbs during that 2000s era and got shit on by Romo constantly.
YPC is the dumbest stat ever, it punishes RBs who are great in short yardage situations
I’m a big E Smith fan, but I would never say the goat. But he was a great great RB w huge heart and guts. How about that giants game where he was the go to guy w a separated AC joint. Not a single player in today’s game would do that
The greatest thing about that game is that you can still see Emmitt blocking for Aikman on passing plays even after he was injured
Emmitt averaged more 4th down conversions per season than Barry converted in his entire career. All those short yardage conversions/touchdowns really bring down the average.
Source? Teams in the nineties [only went for it about 8 times per season](https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/total-4th-down-conversion-attempts-since-1990-by-conference-and-year), I can't imagine Smith got the carry 200 times in his career. That seems very, very high. Even if he did go for it more than anybody else by a lot and gained zero yards on those carries it'd only raise his average from 4.16 ypc to 4.34 ypc.
In order to match Barry's yards per carry average we would need to discount 738 short yardage carries for Emmitt that resulted in zero yards and for Barry to literally never receive a short yardage tote.
I know there were goal line carries and third and short too when the Lions were more likely to give to an FB (Lions FBs scored almost twice as many touchdowns as Cowboys FBs) but I don't think any of that outweighs either the difference in production or supporting cast.
It doesn't make up for the entire difference, but barry only carried the ball on 4th down 10 times total in his career, only converting 3. There's a vast difference in how the 2 backs were used. Barry was taken out of the game on short yardage.
[I am once again asking for your source](https://imgflip.com/i/6kdtp8). I agree with your overall point that Emmitt did more work in short yardage but not to the extent you are stating: Barry scored 99 rushing touchdowns in his ten seasons while Emmitt scored 136 in his first ten.
I doubt that Emmitt carried the rock more than ten times every season when most teams barely went for it ten times a season, especially not teams that usually had the lead like the Cowboys.
Pointing to their roles is like offering a handful of change when you need $300. Barry was much more productive with much worse talent and did more work catching the ball too. The short yardage stuff matters and helps Smith but doesn't really get us close.
I didn't want to do the full research, but I looked up the 4 years they were both in their prime, 1993-1996. During those years, Emmitt ran the ball 108 times on short yardage on 3rd/4th down, while Barry had 37 short yardage carries in the same time frame. Like i said, it doesn't cover the entire difference in the yards/carry, but it definitely affects it.
Additionally, I'm not sure I agree with your point about catching the ball either. During Emmitt's first 10 seasons, he averaged 44 catches a season, while Barry averaged only 35 catches/year in his 10 year career.
>Pointing to their roles is like offering a handful of change when you need $300.
You're missing the point that was being made. He's not saying that this makes Emmitt better than Barry, he's offering it up as to why Emmitt's YPC is lower than you would expect. Since that was your big criticism of him.
If the Cowboys had taken Emmitt out on short yardage situations, his YPC would be a lot better, but his TDs would be down, and it really wouldn't make him any better of a player. It would just mean the team decides to take him out of the game in certain situations. You would probably use that as a criticism against him though is my guess.
Yeah it would have been interesting if he had been on a different team anywhere near his prime so there was some kind of comparison.
He did drop off an entire yard per carry in one year jumping from Cowboys to Cardinals, so arguably that can't all be due to aging when it's only a one year difference. On the other hand, given that he was entering mid-30s you can't argue much *against* attributing it to age (and injury).
The Cardinals also weren't even an average team. They were horrific back then when he joined.
Anyone calling Herman Moore an empty shelf is just wrong.
"Barry had no help" is basically a gospel for some dumbass reason, and it's probably just people watching his highlight reels of the good plays where he did magic and they weren't even alive to watch those genuinely good 90s Lions teams. Herman Moore was monstrously great for three years but injuries killed what damn well could have been a HOF career, Lomas Brown made the Pro Bowl seven straight years as an LT, the Lions regularly had a top ten offense in both rushing and passing, and nobody seems to realize the Lions of the 90s were a genuinely solid team that just couldn't overcome the trinity of the Cowboys/49ers/Packers at the time, but they were really good.
I mean, Sanders' Lions made the playoffs literally half the seasons he played. That's a better rate of playoff appearances than Tomlinson, Eric Dickerson, Curtis Martin, or any number of other great backs who would have loved to have made the playoffs 50% of the time, but Barry's career was "wasted" because reasons.
Thank you for this. The idea that we "wasted" Barry is so overblown. I'm glad he retired when he did for his own health. I wish we could've done more but we weren't bad for most of his tenure. It's just really hard to advance in the playoffs.
Not to mention the Lions won their division despite missing Barry for the final 5 games of the 1993 season and made the playoffs the year after he retired
> the Lions regularly had a top ten offense in both rushing and passing
Huh? Regardless of if you use yards, TDs, yards per, etc the Lions only had a top ten passing offense about 2-3 years of Barry's career. '94 and '95 are a given, and then one can argue for...1990? But the team had below average passing stats on almost everything but TDs that year, so I'd hardly call that a top 10 passing offense.
I'm not saying your wrong at all, Barry did have some talented teammates. However, when you directly compare the OL that Barry was working with to what most would consider to be the best offensive line to ever play football, the difference is pretty apparent.
I think that's what most people are thinking of when they say "could you imagine what Barry could have done behind that O-Line."
>I'm not saying your wrong at all, Barry did have some talented teammates. However, when you directly compare the OL that Barry was working with to what most would consider to be the best offensive line to ever play football, the difference is pretty apparent.
>I think that's what most people are thinking of when they say "could you imagine what Barry could have done behind that O-Line."
Barry Sanders played with very good olines, they were not respected in their time because of a bias against zone blocking line men but you can go back and look at Barry's highlights his oline moved people, sealed people of and created creases
Right. They can be very good O-lines and still not be in the same room as that cowboys O-line.
I'm personally in the camp of saying that Barry would have probably played longer, and broken more records, although not by some crazy amount, if he had played with that Dallas line. At the same time, few people would remember Emmitt's name if he *didn't* play with that Dallas line.
>Right. They can be very good O-lines and still not be in the same room as that cowboys O-line.
>I'm personally in the camp of saying that Barry would have probably played longer, and broken more records, although not by some crazy amount, if he had played with that Dallas line. At the same time, few people would remember Emmitt's name if he *didn't* play with that Dallas line.
I don't know about that, Sanders is the best zone scheme back of all time and he played with the best zone blocking line of his era. The lions were probably the best fit for him at that time. Seriously go back and look at Barry's highlights, ignore Barry and focus on his blocking, any zone back in the league today would kill to have those holes
Yep, empty shell. The Lions had a top ten scoring offense five out of the ten years Barry played, Herman Moore was a first team All-Pro for three straight years, the 1995 Lions had the most explosive offense in the league, and, as a team, the Lions averaged about 10th in the league in scoring over his ten years, but he's clearly the only one responsible and the fact guys like Herman Moore and Brett Perriman were catching over 100 balls a year while the entire team had success is definitely "empty shelf".
It's things like this that made Smith Great. He was told this all the time. That's what is the greatest thing about him, his drive. Well, also he's a Cowboy. That's pretty great too.
How Emmitt Smith played against the Giants:
14-11; 484 attempts for 2,027 yards (average 81); 4.19y/a and 21 TDs
Off subject, but when was the last time the Giants have one of the best Olines in the league. I don't recall any of their Olines being highly regarded.
08 Giants led the league in rushing and had 2 1000 yard RBs.
if i recall correctly, I remember playing you guys at the end of that season and the announcers saying "this group has played together all year" and i realized at that moment how important O-line gel is.
Between 2006 and 2009 they had one of the top lines at least for run blocking. Diehl wasn't a great LT but guys like O'Hara, Snee and McKenzie were great.
That was some great blocking but the linebacker bit on the FB and totally left the gaping hole. Also the ref made a 15 yd run into a TD.
I wish there was a way to know your in the good ole times before you leave them.
- 38 year old me thinking of 12 year old me in 1995.
That block by the ref though...
Can we bring that offensive line back, please?
Un fucking touched. My God
Giants DB #22 Phillippi Sparks is Grammy nominated singer Jordin Sparks dad
BTW right here is the reason you can't take your helmet off to celebrate anymore. The Emmitt Smith rule.
If I'm making a team, Larry Allen is one of my O-lineman, no doubt. The man was a monster.
INJECT THIS SHIT STRAIGHT INTO MY VEINS
I wouldn't do that...pretty sure it is way past the expiration date. ;)
I don’t know. This shit ruined a lot of Sundays for me back then
Switzer, my favorite Dallas coach.
I loved watching him play. I loved it when he runs into a pile and it looks like the play is over, only to see him pop out the other side for a td.
Gets a nice block from the ref, too.
Giants fan here. Hated playing against the cowboys and that amazing offensive line. But also supports the fact that Barry was always 10X better then Emmitt. Just sayin
It’s not even a debate. Barry was a human joystick
"Great Wall of Dallas"?
Lol, I think you're referring to the "Texas Hold'ems".
That was a punk move by #22 there at the end. If he pulled that nowadays he’d by getting a definite 15 yard flag and may even be ejected imo. He had no shot at making a play before he broke the goal line but still goes low late right at Emmitt’s ankle. There’s only one thing he was trying to do. Hurt their star player. Glad shit like this has been cracked down on over the years. There’s no place in the game for purposely hurting other players.
Yeah, what's the point of tackling someone 5 yards deep in the endzone?
Barry Sanders would have ran for 25000 yards behind that line.
Nah, Jimmy would have benched him after a couple of times turning a 5 yard gain into a 3 yard loss. Jimmy didn't like dancing around in the backfield.
He wouldn’t have had to with holes like that.
Well, not with that one, lol. That was a ridiculous running lane.
It looks easy to you but ask any lineman and he'll say that finding holes is an extremely underrated aspect of great RBs, making that split second decision is very hard since one inch wrong and you'll run into your lineman instead of breaking through
Pretty sure Barry wouldn’t have trouble finding those kinds of holes
This play shouldn't represent every dallas running play of that era
I do think it shows how absolutely dominant that Oline really was though. Em it was very fortunate to get to run behind all that talent. He had great vision to see them and balance ti hit them the way he did though
*Would have run
Any RB from high school to the pros could have scored on that play. Dallas's line was insanely good.
Great run by Emmitt.
Best line to play the game. I was in awe as a kid watching these guys throw around HOF Dlinemen.