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[deleted]

Sounds about right, if you're honest.


Ok-Entertainment7185

https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/r3fjim/joe_posted_this_on_instagram/ Joe literally just posted this on Insta.


[deleted]

I dare you to try to give a charitable reading of this.


Gardimus

And thats the brilliance of modern social media based political targeting, Rogan will not vote for people that support the majority of his beliefs. And then eventually, his beliefs will begin to shift.


[deleted]

Over the totality of the JRE? Sure. Now let’s run it again, only using the last 6-12 months….


TheSensation19

Okay. Did it. Oh. Hes still left leaning. You know whose a significant portion of anti vaxxers? Hippies who believe in naturalism and don't think vaccines are very safe in general. Dont have to be for Trump or Red voting to do it.


CaptainEarlobe

Yeah but he kind of is Trumpy, so that doesn't really matter


Appropriate-Lake620

What would you expect it to say?


Appropriate-Lake620

I don’t think the Covid stuff should necessarily be considered a political stance for him specifically, though… in the current climate, it’s impossible to know for sure. As for Alex Jones… they’re friends. He’s been on the show a bunch. Joe has been pretty open about how he doesn’t agree with him. Also… I think having people on your show and thinking the way they do are 2 completely different things. His interview style is typically non confrontational. Every now and then he gets a little bit confrontational though… like against Ben Shapiro, or against Candice Owens. Both of those in the last 12 months I believe.


joedredd82

He nudged Candace Owens perfectly to make an absolute fool of herself (not that it’s hard)


HeadMembership

It's laughable that you can be friends with the most right wing propagandist and hate monger in the country and be considered lefty. Come on. That's like being friends with Goebbels, "oh we disagree on some things, we are still friends".


RussellsKettle

What is laughable is that you compare Alex Jones to Goebbels.


HeadMembership

It's an extreme analogy to illustrate my point. Or in your case the word should be extremist, perhaps.


Tigerbait2780

Slow down turbo


HeadMembership

How many people are you friends with that are tiki torch carrying members of a fanatical extremist fringe, without you being a member of the same group. Tell me I'm wrong without lying to yourself.


Tigerbait2780

….but Alex Jones isn’t a tiki torcher? What? What extremist group do you think Alex Jones is a member of? He might be crazy as shit but you’re acting like he’s Richard Spencer, and he’s just not.


HeadMembership

Alex Jones wiki: Jones has provided a platform and support for white nationalists, as well as serving as an "entry point" to their ideology.


Tigerbait2780

Well if you don’t link it I don’t have any sources, but people say the same things about joe Rogan. And regardless, you’re dodging the question


Appropriate-Lake620

“Providing a platform” is not the same as “being part of” Please stop putting me in a position to defend Alex Jones. I don’t want to do it, makes me feel dirty.


TrueTorontoFan

> How many people are you friends with that are tiki torch carrying members of a fanatical extremist fringe, without you being a member of the same group nah he just sells dick pills and silver nitrate to them.


Appropriate-Lake620

Perhaps *you* are incapable of this. But there is no need to project your own shortcomings onto others.


derelict5432

Is being a human piece of garbage on the scale? Rogan has almost certainly been responsible for people's deaths because of his covid nonsense. And he's friends with and platforms Alex Jones, who is completely vile.


b0x3r_

Joe Rogan is not responsible for people’s deaths. He’s entitled to his opinion. He’s entitled to speak his mind. Anyone that chooses to listen to him, that’s 100% on them.


Sash0000

>Rogan has almost certainly been responsible for people's deaths Bullshit. *Almost certainly*, as in you pulled it out of your ass. Prove it or shut up.


pumpasaurus

Look, I like Joe, been listening for years. This was unfortunate but I’m not losing sleep over it. But come on dude. He platformed and endorsed strong anti-vax sentiments to an audience of millions upon millions of people. You’re basically arguing that not even ONE listener refused the vax due to his influence and then died/transmitted the virus to someone else who died. The odds are terrible for that proposition. It’s a denialist stance. This isn’t a “we don’t know either way” situation, this is extremely likely one way, almost impossible the other. There is only one reasonable assumption here.


ITouchMyselfAtNight

I would bet good odds that a larger of listeners got their shit together (especially diet/health wise) where he ended up saving a few lives. Overall, I'd bet he's batting net positive.


reductios

But why would someone ignore everyone else who had been telling them that they would benefit from eating a healthy diet their whole lives and only take notice because Joe Rogan said it? And if people paid that much attention to him, wouldn’t that suggest that the things he’s said about Ivermectin and the vaccine are likely to have been even more damaging?


hamburders

Which sounds more likely? A larger proportion of his fanbase completely changed their lifestyle to reflect what Rogan espouses as “healthy” (which often means a lot of woo-woo nutritional/supplemental and lifestyle pseudoscience). Or… a larger portion of his fanbase doubled-down on denial and conspiracy-driven paranoia in order to rationalize not ever having to change their biases? Which sounds like the predictable behavior of the average human? I’d argue the Rogan fanbase is probably on the below-average side of the spectrum as far as prosocial behaviors go.


derelict5432

It's self-evident. If I lived in a community where some people vaccinated their children against polio and rubella and diphtheria and so on, and I chose not to vaccinate my kid, and children in that community were contracting those diseases and being crippled and dying, you could say the exact same thing: prove I was making the problem worse or shut up. I could just squeal medical autonomy and freedom and whatnot, right? And you couldn't prove I was engaging in reckless behavior. Made up example? Nah, I've actually had to listen to anti-vax idiots spew virtually the same arguments with regard to childhood vaccines (Big pharma! They just want to get rich! I have the right to medicate my child how I want! Thimerosal! Mercury! Autism! How do you know the vaccines are safe?!?!).


Appropriate-Lake620

Giving crazy people a platform isn’t always bad. When done properly it exposes just how batshit they are. As for his stance on Covid… he’s not anti vax. He just didn’t want it for himself. I don’t agree with him, but it’s also not the same as many others. Joe has flaws to be sure. No one is perfect.


Cautious-Barnacle-15

How has rogan done it properly? After they sandy hook lawsuit, alex jones should be treated with scorn. He is a crackpot with not value.


derelict5432

>Giving crazy people a platform isn’t always bad. When done properly it exposes just how batshit they are. He hasn't done it properly, though. Not even close.


[deleted]

I disagree. I saw Candace Owens on JRE and could tell immediately she's not a serious thinker or credible, for example.


ryarger

> he’s not anti vax. He just didn’t want it for himself. That’s anti vax. Unless your doctor tells you it’s not safe to take it, there is zero legitimate reason to not get vaccinated. Thinking that he’s young enough, fit enough, or has “natural immunity” is all misinformation that his listeners buy into, thinking that it’s some personal choice that reasonable people can just pass on. We wouldn’t have a thousand people dying per day in the US if it wasn’t for this kind of nonsense being spread. It’s not the old dying anymore, it’s the middle aged and young who thought they were safe. Yep


stratys3

> Thinking that he’s young enough, fit enough, or has “natural immunity” is all misinformation You think age, general health, and natural immunity have no effect on viral infections? You think this is misinformation? I can't tell if you're serious or joking. Did you stop going to science classes after grade 7?


ryarger

I didn’t suggest that factors had no effect. I said that they are irrelevant to taking the vaccine. The vaccine has negligible risk and positive reward even amongst the cohort with the smallest chances of being affected by the virus.


Sash0000

>“natural immunity” is all misinformation Anyone putting natural immunity in quotes and calling it misinformation should go back to school.


ryarger

There’s nothing natural about “natural immunity”. To get protection from prior infection you have to first catch and survive the virus. The data in total suggests that protection from prior infection is roughly equivalent to that from vaccination. But vaccination stacks on top of that so having this protection is no reason to avoid vaccination. I find those wrapped up in thoughts of natural immunity prime examples of motivated reasoning. One set of data came out suggesting it was stronger than vaccination and they hear about it on their favorite IDW podcast and instantly this is the most important piece of information and it’s 100% reliable and must never be questioned. This while ignoring statements from those exact same researchers that everyone - including those with previous infections - should be vaccinated. And then more and more research comes out suggesting that maybe prior infection isn’t better than vaccination - and that research must be doubted because their trusted sources already gave them the Right Answer.


Canny94

But were a majority of those "middle aged and young" deaths healthy? Thats all Joe is saying.. he preaches overall health, and he just doesn't think that he needs the jab. I was a smoker for years and have asthma, I got the shot even having previously had covid. My mother (older and a former smoker) got the shots and just had covid a week ago, she was beat down and still couldn't breathe, but the shots most likely helped her. I completely see where Joe is coming from, a far greater problem in the world is obesity and bad health, and those folks suffering from those things are looking at the vaccine as a golden ticket and still not taking care of themselves. He actually has some really interesting views on the whole situation, his whole family got vaxed, his parents, his friends. He was supposed to get the shot, and the day of the ufc made a mistake and had to send him to a clinic to get it, but being busy he didnt go that day. Next day the news of the J&J recall was announced and that was the one he was getting. He tests all of his guests... Like, he cares about covid and his listeners care about covid, he just looks at it different than a bunch of people chugging the mainstream media. Im bracing for downvotes...


ryarger

> looks at it different than a bunch of people chugging the mainstream media You lose me there. This has nothing to do with any media whatsoever. I’m close to a county ME and an epidemiologist. Their information is based on first hand experience and intimate knowledge of first hand research. They’ve walked me through the recommendations and none of them have anything to do “chugging the mainstream media”. The vaccine helps everyone able to take it, even the “healthy”. I put that in quotes because most Americans are not healthy. But that’s irrelevant. A healthy person getting the vaccine increases their odds of avoiding Covid and avoiding serious illness if they get it. They also greatly reduce their chance of spreading Covid. > he preaches overall health Getting the vaccine is an important part of overall health > and he just doesn’t think he needs the jab He needs it as much as anyone else. There’s no gradation of need for the vaccine. Everyone who can get it should get it. Spreading this doubt is why this isn’t over yet. It’s the direct reason.


newbphil

Thank you, couldn't have said it better myself. The fact is that the number of people that legitimately can't get the vaccine is STUPENDOUSLY low; virtually the only people that can't get vaccinated are those who are allergic to some ingredient in the vaccine. The amount of people allergic to those ingredients is VERY low. If someone tells you that they can't be vaccinated due to medical reasons, essentially the only response to that should be "what are you allergic to?" Anything other than an allergy is some from of excuse. I'm not suggesting you ask strangers about their medical conditions, I'm merely saying that if someone close to you claims that they can't get vaccinated due to "medical reasons" or something similar, that you actually grill them on it and have a conversation about it. Odds are, you will find that they have bitten onto the hook of disinformation in one form or another.


Sash0000

>He just didn’t want it for **himself**. I don’t agree with him You don't get a say in his decision though.


Appropriate-Lake620

Agreed. I’m 100% on board with that. I can still think it’s dumb though.


Blamore

he doesnt get to have medical autonomy? he doesnt want it. simple as. get over it.


derelict5432

He wants medical autonomy? He doesn't want the vax? Fine. Then he needs to do two things: 1) Quarantine (see my comment below for an explanation if it's not obvious) 2) Keep stupid, dangerous stuff from flying out of his mouth that's going to get other people killed


ITouchMyselfAtNight

> 2) Keep stupid, dangerous stuff from flying out of his mouth that's going to get other people killed As defined by who?


derelict5432

As defined by rationality and evidence. Maybe you didn't look at my other comment, so I'll just repeat it here: Rogan said, even after his "clarification", that if you're young and healthy you don't need to get vaxed. That's stupid and dangerous. Young people, non-obsese people, and non-smokers are all less likely to die, sure. But they can all still be vectors for the virus, and a substantial portion of those are asymptomatic, so they can be running around without a clue they're contagious and be spreading it to many, many more people, who will spread it and so on in a geometric fashion. If you don't want to get the vax, but you're willing to self-isolate until this is all blown over, go for it. That's not what many people who take his advice seriously are doing. They think, oh I'm young and healthy, I'll just not get vaxed, live my life. 100% some of those people are vectors for a highly-contagious disease that is killing people downstream.


ITouchMyselfAtNight

And plenty of [experts agree with him.](https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-advisers-decide-against-covid-vaccines-healthy-12-15-year-olds-2021-09-03/)


CelerMortis

Solidly right. His Covid stances, his Texas stuff, Tim pool and Alex Jones. Have there been any balance of left wing guests?


wozzwinkl

Not that I can remember. I'm waiting for him to get Rittenhouse on there...


brucekeller

He also smokes weed, does psychedelics, and is for universal healthcare and other social programs and anti-racist legislation. He's had a bunch of left wing guests, just not all of them are all about political identity, but Bernie was a pretty liberal guest. I think I remember Joe supporting him too.


CelerMortis

>The last 6-12 months


Axle-f

> #TEXAS WENT RED, BITCH! WOOO!! - Centre leftist Joe Rogan.


zenethics

Ya. This always happens. The new right is, politically, where the old left was 20 years ago. Remember when gay marriage was a debate? Pepperidge farms remembers.


NavyThrone

[Left of center?](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRightCantMeme/comments/r3c0cc/joe_rogans_completely_delusional/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)


SprinklesFederal7864

Yup.I find this analysis pretty accurate.


piberryboy

I have friends really into Joe Rogan. I can't say I can get on board. Rogan always seemed to me to be somewhat vacuous and agreeable to the point of being sycophantic. Comedian Tim Heidecker mocked him for this just the other day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6Iyg9fznvM And yeah, I get it, he has great guests, but he can have really vacuous guests too.


mynameisbudd

Yo is that a 12 hour video?


lordicarus

Yea Wtf!? Edit: seems to just be a loop of a live show. And just to be clear, this is basically a parody of JRE. Also, there is a comment on the video with timestamps. Since i don't know a way to link to the comment in just pasting it here, by yt user *temporary* Timestamps: 1:45 Intro, A crazy coupla years 3:55 Relationship origin, Ken Collins connection/body hair 6:17 Opening for Ken, Babe Ruth moment 7:12 Quad Core read 7:57 Making Sense of It 9:39 Henry Deaver: The Life Molecule and Masculinity In Decline 11:50 New Rulebook, We're not in Kansas anymore 15:06 From Cavemen to People Working and Computers 16:09 Research, Evidence, Breaking New Ground and Backlash 18:41 The Sea Change in Power Structure, Lever Pullers vs The Average Joe 22:21 The Origins of the Now Circle Loop, go back further to return 23:39 Dr. Mark Prance and the importance of crab salts 27:45 Montana fly fishing eagle story, (animals in the food chain) 31:50 Our disconnection from nature, porn, new kid brain scan 33:23 The Censorship of Ideas in Social Media 36:00 Where do we go? 36:48 Artoush Sybian e-mail chain, The Good Fight with Joanne Pacman 38:25 The Silver Lining, finding a way out with psychedelics 40:00 Is that where God comes from? The Atheist Paradox 41:19 The Devil Horn find. Religious Structures and money. 43:50 Success and pattern study, the sleep connection and dreams 47:06 BigBlinds dot com read 48:01 Cosby's run and the lessons of Theo Huxtable 50:58 Society changed Bill stayed the same 51:57 Kyle Maxim's 250 million views, Merrill Lynch walkout 57:25 Elvis Presley link 58:10 Kyle Maxim camping trip tease 58:45 Brain absorption 1:00:40 Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson nutrient conversation 1:02:39 No one knows the answer, Power and Fear 1:04:55 The Rock's big transformation and societal restructuring


justsaysso

Who is somebody similar that you prefer?


lheggs

Lex Fridman is pretty good depending on the guest I also like Russell Brand


el___mariachi

Russell Brand has lost his fucking mind.


ViciousNakedMoleRat

Man, who hasn't? Really, a lot of the people I thought were somewhat reasonable have turned out to be absolute maniacs.


piberryboy

I watched a few of his video recently--for whatever reason, the YouTube algorithms had them pop up--and the content felt like the type of things you say as a college freshman. I couldn't make it though two videos.


lheggs

Don’t have to agree with everything (or anything) he says. I just enjoy the general neutrality of it relative to others


memeticmagician

I love Tim Heidecker and had not seen this. This is incredible. What a fantastic impression of the JRE. They bullshit for eleven hours!!


dbcooper4

Yep, reminds me of a researchers that looked for the most liberal mainstream newspaper. It actually turned out to be the Wall Street Journal but only when you excluded the Opinion Editorial which is right leaning.


pcjwk888

If you take Joe at his word, he is definitely more liberal than conservative. He supports most liberal policies other than the 2A. At the same time, it's really not hard to understand why people have the impression that he's right leaning: - Most of his discussion on politics are the culture war, where he strongly defends conservative talking points (covid, trans issues, Australia is authoritarian, woke over reach etc). - Most of the political guests he has had on recently are conservatives. Looking at say his past 50 episodes, I would say the following are political: **Jocko, Tim Pool, Ben Shapiro, Bridget Phetasy, Michael Malice, Michael Shellenburger, Sanjay Gupta, Brett Weinstein, Zuby. How many of these are liberal Vs conservative? I would argue every one with the exception of Sanjay Gupta are conservative, and that was the episode where he disagrees most with his guest. - How much does he call the right out Vs how much does he call the left out? The right has alot of crazy shit associated with it over the last couple of years (stolen election, trump, qanon etc). He does not talk about these issues. - Right wingers who pretend to be liberals (but have left due to liberal overreach) are numerous. People who claim to be liberal, but only talk about conservative grievances. Think Tim Pool, Brett Weinstein, Dave Rubin, Sargon, James Lindsey. The talking point that "I'm a liberal but..." is used to add legitimacy to conservative talking points. It's the whole basis for the walkway project (which is obviously bullshit). Dave Pakman talks about it here: https://youtu.be/Xd03OxfgG-M I don't think Jo has followed the path David describes above (though other figures mentioned probably have). At the same time, it is understandable that liberals are skeptical of these people. - There are various one off occasions where he comes across as conservative: *Texas is red bitch! *Friendly hangout with Greg Abbott *Weird comments about Soros Overall, I don't think it's a mystery as to why people think Joe's a conservative.


hjc1358

Does anyone who watches Joe consistently find this surprising? I haven’t watched for a while, and I know his COVID takes were odd, but he’s certainly no right winger. Libertarian philosophy seems strongest in his thoughts and ideas.


vasileios13

Joe is liberal in many aspects, such as religion, drug legalisation, gay rights and some environmental issues. He's also liberal in terms of healthcare and education, although somehow he doesn't support high taxation (cognitive dissonance). But he's really bothered by wokeness which makes him be supportive toward people like Shapiro, Peterson, Weinstein and even Trump (I've never heard Joe really critisize Trump the way he critisized Biden).


mojo111067

So he’s for a ton of shit he doesn’t want to pay for? Definitely libertarian.


CrotasOnlyFans

He’s probably opposed to high tax rates due to the Laffer Curve. People of his ilk love citing that.


_____jamil_____

which, the laffer curve is complete bullshit of course


personalcheesecake

forgot the quotations, non aggression principle is fully loaded bullshit


[deleted]

So he's very liberal on things he almost literally never talks about and extremely right wing about things he talks about constantly? Interesting...


[deleted]

Yeah Joe Rogan never talks about drugs lol


KellyKellogs

This is a bad take. He talks about healthcare, the environment and drug legalisation regularly. He talks about wokeness regularly but disliking the far left is not the same as having extremely right wing views.


[deleted]

Oh really? in 2020-2021 he talks about healthcare and drug legalization regularly? Well, by all means just post the last clip where he took Abbott's dick out of his mouth long enough to talk about the drug laws in Texas...


weefraze

You added the 20-21 conditional after the fact, recency bias. I haven't talked about agnosticism much in a solid 5 years, which doesn't mean I'm not an agnostic nor does it reduce my commitment to the position.


[deleted]

We're all using the present tense here, which heavily implies recency. You would not say that you "regularly" talk about agnosticism, correct? Now, if Joe just stopped talking about politics then that would be fine. I stould wouldnt say that he "regularly" talks about those topics if he simply doesnt, but you're allowed to quietly support things, yet be more interested in talking publicly about other topics. To extend the analogy it would be like if you stopped talking about agnosticism five years ago and then in the last year you starting talking *non-stop* about Jesus Christ, about his incredible message, you're talking to and defending religious figures all the time while non-stop concern trolling secularists and secular ideas. The idea that somebody would just blanketly say "oh yeah weefraze? He's an agnostic, he talks about it regular" would just be silly nonsense. At absolute minimum it would be extremely questionable. Seriously just look at [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/r3948l/ridiculous_i_have_unfollowed_all_jr_stuff_this/). Are you honestly telling me you've met a "center left" person in your whole life who would post this "forwards from grandma" type of shit?


personalcheesecake

learns from Jones


jmcdon00

Pretty liberal on immigration too if I remember correctly.


DissertationStudent2

https://youtu.be/QMQrFO5loLM


Yomiel94

If you watch his podcast, you'll notice his persona changes depending on who he's speaking with, which makes it difficult to really pin down his politics. Watch the Bernie Sanders conversation.


PlaysForDays

I remember (many) years ago when Abby Martin was a guest, he was so in favor of what we’d call M4A that it would make Bernie blush. The next time it came up, or when it became a something almost tangible in the context of U.S. politics, he took a complete 180 to right-wing talking points. “It will cost so much” / “The government can’t be trusted to do anything” / “You can’t give governments that kind of power”


[deleted]

Not, really. Not anymore. He veers into endless Fox News Grandma bullshit no matter who he's talking to. If it's somebody 'big' or knowingly lefty he might keep it a bit more under wraps, but that's about it.


Yomiel94

I'm not a super regular viewer, but that's not my observation. There are a few issues that come up regularly that are obviously personal for him like covid vaccines, but those aren't even necessarily political (or shouldn't be), and they don't dramatically shift his broader political views. Anti-establishment =/= right wing.


[deleted]

It is if you're only "anti establishment" for liberals but you're obviously, constantly, pro-establishment for right wingers. Dude has dinner with piece of shit Abbott his first night in Texas. Dude is making excuses for Cruz when he's caught flying to Cancun. He's breaking from conversations to make points about how New York City is Communist... When talking to dudes who *live* in NYC, lol. Joe is just a petulant conservative goon now. His "umm I'm actually a liberal" is as fake a con as Dave Rubin. Even your original point is hard for me to make sense of here... He's openly rooting for Trump when he's talking to Lefty Kyle kulinski and basically apolitical Tim Dillon... So why would he be steering right?


wovagrovaflame

Right. He got his opinion of George Soros from Greg Abbott.


Yomiel94

He clearly isn't only anti-establishment for liberals. Honestly though, I just find this bickering over his politics so irritating. Unlike Rubin he's not a political commentator and neither are most of his guests, so the outcry whenever he has an unfashionable thought gets pretty tiresome.


jmcdon00

How is he not a political commentator?


TotesTax

>He clearly isn't only anti-establishment for liberals. He is friends with the Governor of Texas.


[deleted]

You're the one who tried to make a point that didnt make any sense. Stick your fingers in your ears if you want. I dont really care.


Yomiel94

I think that's a you problem, since everyone else seemed to get the gist of it.


[deleted]

Ya okay man


DissertationStudent2

Neither of his guests were republican... Bernie was a long time ago now


personalcheesecake

watch the Peter Schiff over in 2017... didn't rebuke at all while he pushes gold bug theories and child labor.... that's the year he started going more right. there's nothing egalitarian about child labor or avoiding paying taxes..


Riggity___3

yea thats one of the most annoying thing about Joe. he has such palpable disdain/distrust for some guests and the opposite for others. he's so clearly made up his mind on so many things that he'll just pester guests with that thinly veiled hostility parading as skepticisim.


kidhideous

I used to listen to him all the time but gave up because of the amount of right wingers he was having on. I occasionally tune back in and he seems to have gone further right. He says he is neutral but he has these people like Shapiro on all the time


WhoCaresWhyBother

> He says he is neutral but he has these people like Shapiro on all the time He’s has Shapiro on twice in the last 18mos. What about that screams not neutral to you?


kidhideous

Not just Shapiro, he has Alex Jones on a lot as well. Loads of these far right guys I bet if you had a list of far right Vs far left it would skew heavily to the right. The only ones I can think of is Jimmy Dore, and he is one of those left wing guys who is on Fox a lot


WhoCaresWhyBother

> he has Alex Jones on a lot as well. We’re talking about like 3 times in the last 4 years? For a podcast that comes out 3 times per week this seems pretty low. > The only ones I can think of is Jimmy Dore, and he is one of those left wing guys who is on Fox a lot Abby Martin, Kyle Kulinski, David Pakman all have been on since beginning of 2020 AFAIK. And being on Fox doesn’t automatically make you right wing. Isn’t talking to people you disagree with better than shunning them?


kidhideous

With Alex Jones, 3 times in 4 years is a lot considering that he is too far gone for any other mainstream media companies. And then you name 3 very mainstream left wing commentators in 2 years, that is not the same as 2 far right guys a bunch of times If you care to look it has been chronicled how dodgy he is, but that is all propaganda right? Right wing people never want to claim it, Rogan is so brave with Alex Jones calling him out on his bullshit about aliens and laser guns, but for some reason didn't mention his wife beating or even less surprisingly the fact that he makes a lot of money from selling dodgy medicine to idiots


RocinanteCoffee

He's aligning more right than left. The only thing he's more left on is drugs. Center left might have been correct over a decade ago. Now he agrees with Fox hacks most of the time.


Natseaart

He never criticized trump. Literally, never.


Most_Present_6577

Joe is almost exclusively conservative if you are going by global politics. The only reason he is a centrist is because he is less authoritarian than most conservatives.


talentpun

He is a libertarian considering his stance on taxation and drugs. He is conservative when it comes to issues related to the military or law enforcement; a community that crosses over frequently into his interest in martial arts. He’s pretty liberal when it comes to issues like social welfare, medical care, student debts and gay rights. What really makes him seem more conservative in recent years is antipathy towards far-left liberals policing language; and transgender politics.


Ionceburntpasta

I'm not a fan of him, but how he's conservative? IMO he's less conservative than European conservatives. He's pro gay marriage, not against abortion and voted for a democratic socialist lol.


Dry_Turnover_6068

He's not. The left says this all the time. It's a form of exclusion by auth-left to try to reshape their tribe.


One_Lazy_Duck

Based and compass pilled


Dry_Turnover_6068

Thank you, I think. Edit: I mean, I think all the time but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm saying thanks for someone finally recognizing my based and compass pilledness - if that's what you meant.


Ok-Entertainment7185

Watch any of his most recent videos and it's a hard case to make him sound left. He's talking election conspiracy shit now with Jocko. Him and Ben Shapiro just had multihour "left bad" jerk off session.


inertballs

Should they instead jerk off to the left? I have plenty of negative shit to say about the left and am comfortably left leaning from a global perspective. U don’t have to kiss the ass of the political party you identify with…


inertballs

Thank god for people like you


ServantOvBaphomet

>IMO he's less conservative than European conservatives. He's pro gay marriage, not against abortion Ireland has a perpetual conservative government, and even we have gay marriage and abortion.


RocinanteCoffee

He's very conservative except with drugs and social programs. Almost everything else he aligns with Fox.


DiamondHyena

Kind of silly to judge US positions by global standards


MrMojorisin521

He said he was gonna vote for Sanders.


Most_Present_6577

Only during the democratic primary. Had he said that during the actual election you might have a point. Do you think he voted for Trump or sanders?


dontrackonme

>mary. Had he said that during the actual election you might have a point. > >Do you think he voted for Trump or sanders? he said he did not vote for Trump


TotesTax

Texas went red bitches.


Most_Present_6577

But he didn't say he voted for the centrist liberal politician running. Curious given he is a centrist liberal according to...whomever


chasisi

No because he actually voted for the left leaning candidate of the libertarian party, Jorgensen lol. There’s almost no metric by which you could place him on the right philosophically


IranianLawyer

The majority of his views are left-leaning, but if you just look at the few pet issues he spends 90% of his time focusing on, you wouldn't know it.


BatemaninAccounting

More over, Joe's purported to be on the left wing side on a bunch of issues but we never have seen him have the underlying moral or pragmatic reasons for it stated. In reality his "left wing" views are stuff modern younger conservatives also agree with, because those issues have literally became so mainstream that conservatives have to adopt them as stances or they'll be viewed as nutbags and unelectable to the growing Gen Z and Millennials.


ABrownLamp

Besides pro mj and pro gay rights I'm not so sure Hes still very pro choice, pro environment and pro social spending which I'm sure does not align with conservatives young or old


[deleted]

When has he ever taken a pro-choice stance?


ABrownLamp

Type in abortion joe rogan into youtube and see for yourself


BatemaninAccounting

Younger conservatives are pro-choice, pro-climate change(just disagree on the nuts & bolts not the concept), and pro social spending(on americans.) I think you need to talk to some of the younger more mainstream republicans out there. I'm also including center-right types in this characterization.


ABrownLamp

If that's the case, which I very much doubt, then what exactly makes them conservative?


45sChamp

I agree. Young ‘conservatives’ don’t hold the religious / political beliefs that the previous generation did regarding things like gay marriage, abortion, etc. There’s a whole group of people that gravitated to conservatism simply because it’s the antithesis of liberalism. The hypocrisy and short-comings of liberals definitely helped Trump win an election. The system over-corrected itself and we ended up the guy from The Apprentice as our president. They might identify as conservative but I think they are more libertarian or moderate at their core.


Cautious-Barnacle-15

Young conservatives arent any of those things. Who are the prominent people you are referring to?


antenonjohs

Most people that identify as conservative aren’t pro choice.


TotesTax

He shut the fuck up about marijuana legalization now that he is buddies with Abbot.


personalcheesecake

if he spends all his time talking about it he's probably doing nothing but thinking or taking about it.. if he held those others as you say he would say them, not hold back. he has no reason not to say the rest of it other than he's grifting and lying.


BlackerOps

The site is run by someone who had no background so go figure


LoungeMusick

Joe cheered when Texas went for Trump last year


DanielDannyc12

Once someone derails into kookery, or is otherwise an unserious person, does it really matter where on the political spectrum they land?


washedupsamurai

I used to enjoy his work mainly for Experienced researches like Paul stammets and Brian Greene. But Once he went to spotify and As election came. It became a promotional channel. Like if you bring a comedian talk about comedy. Always bringing up left and right is fishing for controversy.


personalcheesecake

since 2017


onaneckonaspit7

That’s what his show has been historically. The past year or so that hasn’t been remotely the case though. It’s his pod, he can do what he wants with it. At the same time, he could really use it as a vessel for good conversations and to fight against these echo chambers we have ALL created for ourselves, but he’s turned it into an echo chamber of bullshit recently. He amplifies a lot of the issues he complains about ironically


airborne82p

If you ticked off one point for every statement he made that was left or right, the ticks on the right would outnumber the ones on the left 20-1. He’s for legal drugs, abortion and women’s rights, gay rights, universal income, and free education. But he rants so much about transgenders, wokeness, and cancel culture that everything else is drowned out. Personally I got tired of the JRE Amd find him pretty annoying. I very rarely tune in anymore. Lex Freedman is way better. Rustle Brand is pretty good too but even he has started focusing on those same issues lately.


[deleted]

I think it's a bizarre thing that if you mention once ever that you'd vaguely like people to get healthcare, and if you give Bernie Sanders one softball interview, people will act like you're just obviously a liberal until the end of time... even if you spend every fucking waking moment in 2020-2021 openly rooting for Republicans and spreading Fox News Grandma propaganda. It's very very silly.


Cautious-Barnacle-15

Yeah it is silly how people get bothered when certain people are called conservative or on the right. Rogan pushes a right wing worldview daily. He buys into and pushes right wing narratives all the time. It is fair to label him on the right even if he said he was pro bernie almost two years ago. Tim pool said he was pro bernie in 2016. It would be laughably stupid to say he wasn't on the right


thedynamicdreamer

This is clear if you watch his show on the reg. I haven’t watched him as much because of his insistence on anti-vax rhetoric, but it annoys me that the left is so quick to “cancel” him. Like, I get he has problematic people on but his show is more nuanced than people give it credit for; or at least it was pre-COVID


StalemateAssociate_

Threads like these always remind me that you really only need one conservative opinion to be labelled a conservative.


Ok-Entertainment7185

It's far from "one conservative opinion".


Cautious-Barnacle-15

Far more than one issue, but beyond that it is the volume spent on certain issues. Say you had three conservative opinions and the rest liberal, well if you spent all your time going on and on about those three things and rarely talked about anything else, people would fairly associate you with what you were obsessed with


dblackdrake

I'd say he's JUST liberatrian, myself, He's no Bakunin.


hailhydra58

This is definitely true its just that the majority of issues he focuses on are not left leaning.


Away_Wolverine_6734

Does it matter ? His vaccine takes, his takes on parental leave are regressive.


dott2112420

I would say center conservative but I don't know shit.


KillaSmurfPoppa

Regardless of whether this is an accurate summation of Joe Rogan's credibility and politics, Media Bias / Fact Check is itself a highly biased source and not very sophisticated in their "fact checks". I never cite them in any type of argument regarding "news" sources, even when they align with my views.


CaptainEarlobe

In what direction are they biased? (Genuine question)


benndover_85

Joe Rogan figured out that he could make oceans of money by catering his shitty show more towards the crazies on the right. It's all about money. Nothing else.


iamababe2

How has he reported anything on COVID? He shares what he did. So what


philomath__

Lol! It’s funny because he just posted [this](https://www.instagram.com/p/CWxaIYWFvfH/?utm_medium=copy_link) on Instagram…!


SprinklesFederal7864

Saw that. So cheesy matrix lol Strong man can be compatible with fairness haha.


JAJE202

I came here to say the same thing, that was annoying to me cause not only is it a stupid thing that he's feeding to millions of people who might take it too seriously, but I also thought it was misrepresentation of what (to my mind) his political position is. Like is he really saying the authoritarian right leads to good times or am I misinterpreting it?


Forbin_Colonel

Real libertarians are more center left than anything. Modem libertarians are solid members of the GQP. The last bastion of liberalism in many that I know is that they are rabidly pro union, but they all vote R across the board. Sounds more like nihilism to me than anything.


[deleted]

UPDATE: Joe literally just posted a political meme in which the left side of the political spectrum is given the labels "Hard Times" and "weak men", and the right side is given "good times" and "strong men", and then some random chain email mumbo jumbo about ancient Sumerians or some shit You can't make this shit up https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/r3948l/ridiculous_i_have_unfollowed_all_jr_stuff_this/ ----------------------- [Hey guys, it's just total liberal Joe Rogan over here entertaining voter fraud conspiracies, nbd](https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/r2wsme/joe_is_starting_to_entertain_voter_fraud/) [Prominent Liberal comedian Joe Rogan puts the brakes on \*any\* joking about Don Jr, how dare you](https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/qn05v0/political_correctness_and_cancel_culture_is_out/) [FDR of Podcasting Joe Rogan applauds Don Jr. on his very sophisticated Facebook grandma memes](https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/qmqu2v/shane_points_out_the_target_demographic_of_joes/) [We all know Joe Rogan has a "left-center" political lean, so it should come to noone's surprise that in 2020 Joe Rogan supported the candidate with the most "left-center" political lean: Libertarian Jo Jorgenson who believes in fully privatized healthcare, ending regulations, reducing the size of the federal government, and and replacing Social Security with private, individualized retirement accounts](https://twitter.com/jess4liberty/status/1348296864802762755)


RoutineWalrus3728

Many of the social issues like gay marriage that Rogan uses to justify still his calling himself a liberal are issues that haven't been hotly contentious since the 2000s. And he does not ever really commit to left leaning economic positions that he talks about. For all his vague nods towards his liking these ideas, I've heard just as many monologues from him about how he's worried about communism because of laziness, and free healthcare will create crappy doctors. The labels can be whatever, though, we can throw them out ultimately, he can stop calling himself liberal and Reddit/the media can stop calling him conservative and the actual core criticisms will be exactly the same, which are that his espousal of dumb ideas is irresponsible and probably tangibly harmful, and saying "but I'm pro weed and gay marriage" wouldn't be any kind of a defense.


onz456

Rather than speculating whether Rogan is left of right, maybe we should focus at what we do know about him: * He's dumb and rich. He is incapable of forming nuanced ideas of his own and he wants to keep his money. * He's 5 foot 3.


SixPieceTaye

This is my own observation so taken it with a grain of salt, but I find a lot of the gen x folks I know do do this. They say "I gotta be liberal. I'm pro gay marriage and pro weed." za d those are for all intents and purposes solved issues. Gay marriage is legal and weed is gonna be sooner than later. That's just not really what it means to be a liberal anymore and it's something I've heard espoused by a lot of people in that age range where that was what the big liberal topics of the day were when they were younger and just aren't anymore. Both a big deal in 1990, not anymore.


WhoCaresWhyBother

> And he does not ever really commit to left leaning economic positions that he talks about. He’s pretty left on education, healthcare, and reforming historically disenfranchised neighborhoods by pumping money into them. He’s also pro-choice, acknowledges climate change, concerned about income inequality and wants *all* drugs decriminalized. Weed and gay marriage are far from the only left wing ideas he has.


RoutineWalrus3728

>He’s pretty left on education, healthcare, and reforming historically disenfranchised neighborhoods by pumping money into them. He’s also pro-choice, acknowledges climate change, concerned about income inequality and wants all drugs decriminalized. Weed and gay marriage are far from the only left wing ideas he has. So add pro choice and the “all drugs” caveat to the weed part of what I said, beyond that everything you list are things he doesn’t consistent commit to and will frequently talk on both sides of. Climate change is probably the closest to something he is genuinely concerned about, but he had some climate change contrarian “it’s nbd guys” guy on his podcast literally a few weeks ago. And his “communism bad” rants oppose anything he occasionally says about social welfare. These days the former is way more common than the latter.


WhoCaresWhyBother

> So add pro choice and the “all drugs” caveat to the weed part of what I said Those are two hugely polarizing issues amongst republicans. Don’t act like you can just brush those off as “safe” moderate views for a conservative to hold. > beyond that everything you list are things he doesn’t consistent commit to and will frequently talk on both sides of. The reforming shitty neighborhoods by pumping money into them stance is steadfast. He brings it up regularly. > but he had some climate change contrarian “it’s nbd guys” guy on his podcast literally a few weeks ago. So what? He pushed back on that guy. Is he responsible for the beliefs of this be guest you can cherry pick? That’s not what this thread is about. > And his “communism bad” rants oppose anything he occasionally says about social welfare. Well, ya, communism sucks big hairy donkey balls. If your definition of being a conservative is anyone opposed to any solution to social welfare issues that isn’t communism, I hope we’re all conservatives. Communism is the most murderous ideology in modern history.


[deleted]

He's literally saying that NYC is communist now like your Fox News aunt, lmao. So he's so very steadfast about his very important beliefs about healthcare and supporting poor neighborhoods... which he hardly ever talks about while now constantly talking about how states and politicians that support those efforts are all Communists... Uh huh...


RoutineWalrus3728

>Those are two hugely polarizing issues amongst republicans. Don’t act like you can just brush those off as “safe” moderate views for a conservative to hold. Merely professing a libertarian view on abortion and drugs will absolutely not get you kicked out of the modern conservative club. The whole alt-right/modern right/Trumpist movement is unique and noteworthy precisely because it has drawn a much wider tent than old iterations of American conservatism and has incorporated edgelord/libertarian/pseudo anarchist/non religious types in addition to neocons/old fashioned religious right people. Trump is the least paragon of old fashioned social norms of anyone, that’s the whole shtick. >The reforming shitty neighborhoods by pumping money into them stance is steadfast. He brings it up regularly. >Well, ya, communism sucks big hairy donkey balls. If your definition of being a conservative is anyone opposed to any solution to social welfare issues that isn’t communism, I hope we’re all conservatives. Communism is the most murderous ideology in modern history. You’re not making the connection here, Joe Rogan doesn’t rant about actual communism and him opposing actual communism isn’t the problem. The problem is he complains about social welfare writ large, using high schooler rhetoric like “man if you get money from the government that’ll make you lazy, pain and struggle and effort bro” and sums that up as communism, it’s a boomer uncle definition of communism. And that’s why he speaks on both sides of that issue, I guarantee you he has done that rant far more often lately than his vague musings about putting money into communities that he *used* to do far more often.


HumaneSquash094

hes entirely too stupid to fall anywhere on a political spectrum lol. his politics are completely incoherent because his brain is a fucking vacuum cleaner. it just sucks up whatever is in front of it.


45sChamp

It’s pretty pathetic to call a wildly successful person like Joe Rogan stupid on Reddit IMO.


_digital_aftermath

i'll never really understand how Libertarian is considered a left leaning philosophy in any context. I know the stated reason is because of their basic openness about how people want to live their lives as long as it doesn't impede upon others, which is nice and all, but that's not really a liberal stance as much as it is a non opinion. So, to me their disdain for any sort of governmental oversight of just about anything destroys the prospect of allowing a state of true liberalism to exist. Just a thought and if anyone had any thoughts to counter i'd like to hear. \*edited for a tense mess-up i didn't notice before\*


LowerSurplus

Allowing people to love/marry who they want, take the recreational drugs they want, get an abortion if they want, cross the borders they want, or identify as the gender they want are all positions that would be shared by a political liberal and libertarian. I don't think libertarianism is considered left-leaning, but a person can be a combination of liberal/libertarian.


MrMojorisin521

Yeah, if you also think they can own an AR 15 then you’re a libertarian.


Uncle_Daddy_Kane

Libertarianism started off as a leftist ideology. Then it got hijacked by American businessmen as a way to reduce their taxes


SlackerInc1

I don’t see how it was ever leftist. They were always for low taxes, small government, and minimal regulation.


Flaky-Illustrator-52

I really disagree with the whole "liberal = left" idea. On the political compass, the horizontal axis is associated with the amount of economic control possessed by a government assuming one exists, and far right = 0% control over economy, far left = 100% control over economy (makes sense; planned economies are characteristic of last century's communism). The vertical axis is what people seem to call left vs right which is what doesn't make sense to me. Vertical represents how much social control the government has, with the highest point being 100% social control and the lowest point being 0% social control. This would make far-right anywhere from ancaps to a theocracy with no economic control, and far-left anything from a government with control over the economy but not society to communism and fascism. Considering liberal policies ("liberty", less government control across the spectrum. Government control is the antithesis of liberalism) are a diagonal move to the downward-right direction on the political compass, it would make them "far right" (due to the location on the rightmost portion lf the political compass) as anarcho-capitalism would be absolute liberalism. Just explaining my confusion with the "liberal = left" dilemma, and why I am convinced the terminology in popular language surrounding left and right is incorrect or mixed up. If I am not understanding right and left correctly, please explain for my understanding's sake (I am genuinely curious as to why people say "left" and "right" the way they do instead of as a ranking of economic power and choose to associate "liberal" policies with what would actually be in the rightmost area of the political compass).


Ardonpitt

Most people completely misunderstand what left vs right talks about in general. I mean its a 18th century term dragged through centuries of politics into modern context but basically the important thing to remember is this: Left wing ideas are normally characterized by an emphasis on ideas such as freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform and internationalism while the right-wing is characterized by an emphasis on authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism. It has nothing to do with economics, its about the underlying philosophical framework. For the most part hard core libertarianism in the modern American context basically just anarcho-capitalism or in many cases feudalism with extra steps. Thats why it seems so right wing. But the whole live and let live ideas are absolutely left wing concepts.


Uncle_Daddy_Kane

Quickest explanation I've read was: Left- social hierarchies are bad and should be eliminated Right- social hierarchies are natural and should be defended Misses a lot of nuance but given that the original "right" where monarchists and the left were against the monarchy/aristocracy I think it still fits


onz456

I'd always thought: Left - Equality Right - Freedom But that should be revisited. Seems to me the Right are banning/burning books nowadays and trying to limit some people's freedom; the Left seemingly wanting some people to be weak and unable to think for themselves... Maybe: altruistic-egoistic; inclusive-exclusive, society-individuality...


hjc1358

The meaning of liberal has changed over time. Classical liberalism emphasizes personal liberty, and libertarian ideals of limited government.


personalcheesecake

it's not it's a bullshit excuse from those who want to be able to do whatever they want without being impeded by the weight of reality.


FrankieColombino

Not sure if you’re too young but it can be confusing. You see, liberals used to promote liberal ideas which are more aligned with libertarianism.


22grapefruits

Don’t care.He spends all his time cultivating conservative vibes and that’s rlly all that matters


WhoCaresWhyBother

> cultivating conservative vibes What does this even mean lmao? Is it because he says things you disagree with?


22grapefruits

No it’s bc he’s a fucking dweeb who whines about cancel culture, wokeism, etc. (also he has his whole deal with covid, which is another thing) He knows a large component of his fame is that he is always fighting petty culture war battles, all the while somehow getting away with claiming he is some kind of moderate.


eastern_rising1890

> all his time Yeah, gonna need a mountain of evidence to prove this.


JohnFatherJohn

Seems out of touch. It’s obvious that his information diet is mostly right wing propaganda now and that’s the kind of stuff he’s constantly sharing.


personalcheesecake

downvoted for pulling the curtain lol


Blastosist

Have they listened lately?


Otherwise-Analyst-83

Maybe this was true 5 years ago, but since Trump and after moving to Texas, Joe is a full throated republican ideologue now.


FitArtichoke7088

lol name some republicans he's publicy endorsed - as we would expect a republican ideologue to do.


LoungeMusick

Joe cheered when Texas went for Trump


personalcheesecake

he does nothing but talk about republican taking points... there's not one of them he has to endorse he endorses the bullshit they spew by not speaking as a liberal would, such as countering false narratives.. the republican party talks and moves as one unit so they parrot the same points.. the people he's had on have done nothing but perpetuates the same lies.


chytrak

Libertarian = greedy and self-centered


onz456

Left-right...aka horizontal: considering Joe, that's not really the axis people are interested in. Where does he fall on the vertical axis: 4'11?, 5'3, 5'6?,5'8?,... that's what people want to know.


[deleted]

Being on the right side of certain cultural issues doesn’t make one center left.


vruv

Joe has definitely gotten more right wing over the past year or so. And I’m saying that as an avid JRE listener. All of the COVID stuff, and I’ve noticed that when he’s recently had more right-wing figures on it’s more been a casual conversation, in which they agree on almost every topic, whereas in the past it was more “having a civilized and productive discussion with the other side”. And now he *debates* guests who hold much more left-leaning opinions. That isn’t to say that he’s become as right-wing as the media has projected him as, but he’s undergone an evident political shift. I honestly don’t mind it (aside from the danger of promoting vaccine hesitancy of course). Most people have followed the left-wing current, so it’s refreshing to see mainstream figures such as Joe Rogan and Dave Chapelle not submitting. I respect it, even if I don’t actually agree with all of their messages