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kansle

He was in a movie called 'New World' and it kicked ass


daphamman

I aint gone lie, New World is one of the best Korean movies I ever seen. And I watch a lot of them. Please, if anyone is interested in Korean cinema, watch that movie.


Neo2199

Will check it out. Before 'Squid Game', I've only seen him in another SK series on Netflix called 'Chief of Staff'


Neo2199

> Earlier today (October 7), the cast of the popular series appeared on on [The Tonight Show With Jimmy Fallon](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo9Ri1qPInM) to more share about its recent global success. When asked by host Jimmy Fallon if there was anything in the show that was improvised, Lee said that “there was definitely a lot of improv during the shoots” and shared a story about a scene between him and co-star Jung Ho-yeon. > He told Fallon about the scene where his character, Gi-hun, bumps into Jung’s Sae-byeok, making her drop her cup of coffee. “Typically, you would just pick it up and hand it to her but I noticed the straw on the ground so I improvised and tried to stick the straw back into the cup,” he explained. > “I tried to do it multiple times. That made Ho-yeon crack up so hard that she couldn’t lift her head up. Like this,” he added, before imitating Jung struggling to stifle her laughter while looking away.


SmokePenisEveryday

Him grabbing the straw was actually something I keyed in on during that scene too. It was just on point that I could've seen me doing something similar in a panic. If anything it really showed the kinda person Gi-Hun was even at his lowest!


sketchcritic

The show is a masterclass in characterization. They made Gi-Hun *really* hard to like in the first episode, but they included several little touches that show his true character, and you gradually realize just how badly life has beaten him down and that to some extent he is incapable of helping himself. His gambling addiction is overwhelming. But when put in life-or-death situations in which his actions directly lead to killing other people, his good nature comes to the surface, hindered only by his fear of death. It's a transition that feels natural and which the show doesn't overdo. Even though you like him, you're still torn between him and a few of the other characters. It's a delicate balance and the show handles it wonderfully. Plus, the actors are superb.


caca_milis_

I watched a "behind the scenes" interview with Lee Jung-jae, the actors who played Seong Gi-hun and Cho Sang-woo, and the art director (Chae Kyung-Sun) - they talked about the charectirisation and how it was important to feed in little moments of empathy within Seong Gi-hun to make him just likeable enough that the audience would root for him and be cool with him winning, rather than him being a total piece of shit who you're rooting against. Also love that they included Chae Kyung-Sun in getting interview time/praise for her work - background crew like that often get overlooked and the art direction and look and feel of Squid Game was a huge element in the storytelling, she did an incredible job and deserves as much praise as anyone else who worked on the show.


sketchcritic

I was actually watching that interview just now. I agree, it was really, really cool of them to include the art director, she really made a world of difference. It's such a visually striking show.


BrassBahalls

First thing i noticed was how badass the art direction was


respecyouranus

I really felt this too - it's brilliantly balanced, as you say


scarfinati

Agree the characterization is incrediblely handled. The thing I really liked about it is the theme of what is success and how that doesn’t necessarily make one good or wise person and vice versa. For instance by all account 456 is a loser. He lost his family he lost his money he lives w his mother etc. and sang woo is successful, smart good job etc. But when al society and status are stripped away we see who is the better person. Really strong message and insight into humans in general.


sketchcritic

Yeah, and I love that the series is uncompromisingly negative in its portrayal of the elites. The VIPs may seem like cartoonish villains but, as the last decade has shown more clearly than ever before, their blatant sociopathy is not at all unrealistic. That kind of evil exists and is more rampant than previously thought. Cho Sang-woo is the closest the show comes to giving a wealthy person greater depth, much like... **SPOILERS AHEAD (spoiler tags are not working) SPOILERS AHEAD** ... the movie Parasite did. He can be kind, he can be nice, but only when it comes at no great cost to him. Only as a way to boost his ego or to protect the few people he genuinely cares about (namely, his mother). He indulges his conscience when convenient, but when the chips are down, he sees himself as superior to the average person. He was privileged from the start, committed crimes to increase his privilege even more, it backfired on him, and he decided that he deserved to get a prize at the cost of killing 455 other people monumentally less privileged than he ever was.) It's genuinely great social commentary.


Douchebucketchamp

I completely disagree about your characterization of Cho Sang-woo. All of his actions, his misdeeds within the game. He wasn’t doing it for himself. His sole goal was to make sure his mother didn’t lose everything. In episode, we see him about to commit suicide when the card is placed in his front door. Being fully committed to ending his life, he has deemed that every other human life in this game is just as worthless. He threw away his humanity and was only focused on thinning out the herd to save his mom. That’s why when it’s just him and 456, he sees that he was the only one who was truly worthless, and it was only because of his actions that made him this way. He ended his life because he knew it would be the only way to save his mom. He couldn’t live with himself knowing he had killed so many people and would have nothing to show for it. So he would rather at least take his life into his own hands and save someone else. His story is a redemption arc. One that most Americans didn’t understand solely because we didn’t realize his method of suicide. As it’s a Korean based method that has little exposure to America.


WhovianForever

>One that most Americans didn’t understand solely because we didn’t realize his method of suicide. As it’s a Korean based method that has little exposure to America. Yeah that went completely over my head, thanks for explaining it.


Douchebucketchamp

No problem. I honestly didn’t know either until I finished the series and went to the squid game subreddit to read other people’s thoughts.


sketchcritic

I understood right away that Sang-woo was intending to kill himself on episode 2, and I gotta say... that is a *really* low bar for a redemption arc. First off, on episode 2, Sang-woo was not fully committed to his suicide yet. He was still contemplating it before the card was slipped under his door. And it had nothing to do with feeling worthless. He was facing prison, and the judgment of everyone he knew, including his mother. People would think of him as a criminal. Suicide was the only way he could see of sparing himself the pain of witnessing all that, in addition to seeing his mother lose her business. And if he had followed through with the suicide, it wouldn't have helped her. Quite the opposite, actually. So when the card is slipped under his door, he sees a way out for himself most of all. His mother is a strong incentive, but - as you can see when he realizes he's about to lose the marble game to Ali - he still doesn't want to die. You can see in how he pleads that his fear is a primal fear for his own life, not just his mother's. Which brings us to how he handles the game as opposed to Gi-hun. The latter always gets himself in trouble for the sake of other people, he can't help himself. He has a strong conscience and sense of justice, and he is capable of empathizing with and valuing people he doesn't know personally. The games progressively wear him down until, in the last game, he refuses to finish. Sang-woo, on the other hand, feels only temporary guilt, and it's mixed in with a sense of power, of being the apex predator. He tries to trick Gi-hun into an unwinnable position very early in the series, in a non-competitive game, before any competitive game had even happened. He tricks Ali in the most horrifying of ways. He kills the glassmaker with a snarl on his face. And he kills Sae-byeok to prevent Gi-hun from having the power to end the game. While Gi-hun grows increasingly incapable of hurting other people, Sang-woo grows MORE capable. And in the last game, Gi-hun wants to vote to cancel the game, and he's trying to convince Sang-woo to do the same so both their lives can be spared. But that means the prize goes to the families of all the other 454 dead players, and puts both Gi-hun and Sang-woo back at square one. Gi-hun is willing to accept that, Sang-woo isn't. Not only because Gi-hun might still be able to help Sang-woo's mother, but also because of sheer pride. It would be the ultimate humiliation, especially given that it's Gi-hun dictating the terms and being the better man. By killing himself, Sang-woo snatches a small measure of victory from his defeat. He dies - like he would have in the bathtub - but now his mother gets something for it. It's not just good for her, it's good for his ego. He still feels enough guilt to say he's sorry, to realize that the things he's done are wrong, but there's nothing to suggest that this is a genuine redemption arc. If Sang-woo had won the game, there's no indication that he would have felt *crippling* guilt like Gi-hun does, nor that he would have tried to bring down the organization responsible for the game or make any effort to help the families of other players. He would probably have used the money for himself and his mother and told himself, for the rest of his life, that he'd won it fair and square. That he wasn't more privileged than anyone else, because that's what so many privileged people love to tell themselves.


saibjai

I can't agree with San woo being privileged . I think that his upbringing was similar with that of Gi Hung, its just that he was academically more gifted. And thru this upbringing, and rising to another level of social status, he believed everything he earned, he earned thru hard work, even when those choices were morally corrupt or illegal. And even Thru all his "hard work" and "being the top of his class" he was still in massive debt and actually no better than his childhood Friend that was a "loser". He was ashamed of himself and that's why he hated it when Gi Hung would talk about how smart San woo was supposed to be. I think the difference between Sam woo and a typical antagonist was that he absolutely understood how terrible he was. He knew what had to be done, and he was willing to do it even if he had to throw morality out of the window. I think he acknowledged the hardship of others, for example Ali and the husband that had to kill his wife, but he was the one willing to make it to end by doing the absolute worst which the husband couldn't live with. So in the scene where Gi hung yells at san woo for killing the tempered glass guy, San woo is just disgusted with Gi Hung's naivety. If it was me, would you have killed me? He absolutely would have done it. Why are you even here? Even at the very very end, He had to kill himself for Gi hung to win and take care of his mother. Sam woo literally was willing to do everything to win, even if it meant stabbing himself in the neck.


KingStannis2020

https://www.businessinsider.com/kevin-oleary-inequality-fantastic-2014-1


BoulderFalcon

It left me rather confused on whether or not to like him though, but maybe that was the point. In the end [Spoiler](#s "he still ends up abandoning his daughter, despite promising to do otherwise while in the games.")


spyson

I think that was a big point, Gi-Hun at his core is a selfish person. I think it was really refreshing to see a main character who is deeply flawed, but you want to root for.


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geekonthemoon

Exactly. And also his daughter is well taken care of, loved and part of a family. It's not like she is dependent on him. Although he is her father and she loves him, it's not like he's abandoning her with nothing and no one.


BoulderFalcon

That's one way of looking at it, but I also think it's fair to view his daughter as the greater cause. All the people in the games are adults who made their own choices, and in Gi-Hun's case, chose to come back even when knowing the risks. Realistically, he is abandoning his daughter to take on a multi-billion dollar crime syndicate with 40 million dollars, as one person. Now because it's a TV show he'll probably do it, but that's beside the point. The show starts with him snubbing his daughter to gamble his life, and ends the same way. His motives may have changed but the consequences are still the same for his child. Not to mention he waited an entire year before getting the girl's brother out of foster care (although PTSD is a good excuse) and as far as we know he made no efforts to get the mother out of North Korea, he just pawned the kid off on the old lady.


BobbyRed

This example is best exemplified in one of the episodes where the director was able make us feel strong emotions for a minor character with barely any speaking lines or appearances.


gswkillinit

Reminds me of Michael Scott in The Office. They make him an annoying and unlikable person for most of the episode, but at the end show a touch of redeemable qualities of him. It helps create a sort of a cliff hanger for the audience each episode.


WulfsigeX

That's adorable that they call Hesu's newborn "Baby Squid". Good luck charm indeed!


ZDTreefur

I wish anybody but Fallon was doing that interview...


Greedy_Explanation_7

He’s a terrible interviewer. He just wants people to like him.


jrr6415sun

I didn't watch the interview yet but I bet he told the cast a million times how awesome they are and how good the show is.


PurkleDerk

Just like that time he playfully ruffled Trump's hair.


godfrey1

> He told Fallon about the scene where his character, Gi-hun, bumps into Jung’s Sae-byeok, making her drop her cup of coffee. “Typically, you would just pick it up and hand it to her but I noticed the straw on the ground so I improvised and tried to stick the straw back into the cup,” he explained. just rewatched it, she is legit laughing during this scene lol


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Krunkworx

It truly is fucking awful.


hvacrepairman

the slapping scene was all improv, he just started slapping the shit out of him and they just decided to roll with it


Infamous-Lunch6496

The idea to have losing players shot in the game of Red Light, Green Light was actually all improve on the robot’s part.


ZeppelinJ0

Phenomenal actress


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Robots call that game “Sarah Connor”


Kerblaaahhh

And it turns out, George was filming the whole time.


wobblysauce

Then at the end on the win to slap him back... alas just the money.


BlueDubDee

Oh my god his face when he gets that first slap had me laughing so hard I had to pause the show. It was just such a huge "Oh my god did you just really slap me? You fucking slapped me!!" He was so cartoonishly shocked.


boobhats

Are you referring to the slapping scene in the train station?


SvenHudson

Yeah. In the script he was supposed to win on his first try.


ChemistryRespecter

Have you *seen* Gong Yoo? No wonder people were losing on purpose to get bitchslapped by him... EDIT: /u/LavaDogged just linked this: https://www.vulture.com/amp/article/squid-game-gong-yoo-thirst-watch-next.html


Summoarpleaz

*i throw the card down, and the other card flips over* Me: so when do you slap me?


barbarkbarkov

Yeah that dude is gorgeous.


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I’m straight but that guy I’m sure fucks daily.


Daigina

That’s amazing if it’s true. I gotta look that up cause I was convinced seeing that that it was a deliberate part of the recruiter script because it gets them “ready” for the idea of physical violence in exchange for a chance at money, or for them to sus out of the contestant is willing to risk that- some people aren’t in such a bad place that they’d let someone slap the shit out of them for an hour just to win a thousand dollars. Some people are. People that are probably would be more susceptible to risk being shot for money as well. It felt so deliberate! How cool that it came from improv


kronik85

I definitely took it as a grooming tactic. Hard to believe the script had him immediately winning instead of this natural escalation of violence for money scene.


ardaduck

The elite loves to torment lower class people over money that's insignificant for them.


NeitherAlexNorAlice

Dude, is that Gi-hun? He looks two decades younger than how he is in Squid Game. That's crazy. Just a different haircut and clean-shaven does wonders. Also, very surprised by him saying they improv'd a lot. The show seems to hing on very tight writing, so this came as a shock.


mcquackers

I read that they were trying to shed his typical pretty boy looks for the show.


spartagnann

I had no clue he was/is a model until after I watched SG and looked up the actors. They did a good job of making him look like a run down but charismatic schlub.


bootyboixD

Same with HoYeon Jung. She looked great on the show but she also is significantly more gorgeous in real life. They definitely toned down her appearance on the show as well Edit: editing my original language from “I mean she didn’t look bad on the show but she also didn’t look like the gorgeous model she is in real life”


KittenBellyFat

I had the opposite reaction; I immediately thought "is this actor from a girl group?"


SovietK

The second I saw her I knew she'd be among the final players and on the main characters team. She is just leagues more attractive\* than any other female character on the show. That's just how TV works I guess. \*edit: according to media standards. Yes attraction is subjective.


Ciaobellabee

It’s the live action version of giving the protagonist wild hair in an anime


fabrar

Yeah lol even in the little scene where she pickpockets gi-hun I was like damn she is gorgeous


JeremyTheFirekeeper

Hot take. Nose piercing was wayyyyyy more attractive to me


lemmegetadab

Are we watching the same show? She looked stunning even all beat up.


noradosmith

Is it weird I really liked how deep her voice was too


PM_ME_PAIN_PILLS

Nope. Her voice is super sexy. Even my wife agrees


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It was the semi-naked drop off scene that gave it away for me. Dude was ripped.


Radical-Penguin

Just be aware that when actors say "Improv", it typically means "We improvd this thing once, the director liked it, so we workshops it out to make it work in the scene over multiple takes/rewrites"


chronicvillainy

What he was describing seemed to be physical improv rather than necessarily messing about with the lines.


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I saw an interview where the show's creator/writer/director credited the actor who played the friend (sorry, I forget names) for coming up with the scene where he's paying for the Pakistani guy's stuff at the store. Like, even though he has money problems of his own, his elitist background means he needs to show he's better than the Pakistani guy by giving him money. But that's not improv, that's adding another scripted scene.


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I thought that too, but now I'm seeing it completely differently. Like, he honestly treats Ali like a charity project/pet from that point on and, as we later find out, exhibits some pretty manipulative and controlling behavior. I'm sure he told himself he was simply being kind, but there's definitely more to it than that. Awesome characterization.


inksmudgedhands

Sang-woo struck me as a person who is all about the appearance of high status and will do anything to keep that style up even if the illusion costs him everything. He betted not only his livelihood, he bet everything his mother had. And his mother was a sweet, caring woman who thought the world of him. So, of course he wouldn't think twice about giving Ali money for a bus ride home. To Sang Woo, it shows someone like Ali that he is a man of wealth. The illusion of higher status remains intact.


WheresZeke

I think you’re letting your rightful dislike of him characterize him more. He’s shown to not be very prideful, and notably tries to change the subject whenever gi-hun brags on him. He was just being kind. Sang-woo is selfish about righting his wrong to his mother, he’ll do anything to make sure she’s okay. Otherwise, he’s a nice guy. That’s actually what I like the most about the show. Most people would pick their mother over any amount of strangers. Sang-woo killed himself in the end for his mother. Everything he does boils down to that.


MJOLNIRdragoon

>He’s shown to not be very prideful, and notably tries to change the subject whenever gi-hun brags on him. Yeah, that seems to be the biggest problem with attributing his charity to ego. Ali knows that currently they both have negative net worth.


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kiiada

There’s a huge element of seniority in paying for things in most Asian cultures though. For example, if you go to dinner with a group, you don’t pay individually. Especially for family meals it’s expected that the oldest or wealthiest man in the group pays for everyone, and this can lead to fights between men over who pays in order to not appear poor or weak. That sort of social dynamic isn’t as easy to understand if you live in the west and ask the server to split the check ten ways for a group of ten people, and on top of that we have a culture that considers it “rude” to talk about how much you make in front of friends or coworkers.


zeroGamer

He's just a different kind of poor than most/all of the rest of the players - the *rich* kind of poor, he still had plenty of cash for everyday activities but was buried under debt.


Gk786

I saw him in this political thriller that i forgot the name of and literally could not believe it was the same guy. Highly recommend his other shows.


Neo2199

> I saw him in this political thriller that i forgot the name of and literally could not believe it was the same guy. If I'm not mistaken I think you're talking about 'Chief of Staff'. I felt the same way as well when I first saw him on 'Squid Game', he looked so different from his role in 'Chief of Staff'


CptNonsense

>He looks two decades younger than how he is in Squid Game He got rid of the red wig hair and out on makeup.


Thisisopposite

Still can’t believe he’s 47/48 - incredible.


Marigoldsgym

They are all fashion models I think. Which is why it's so funny he plays like a schlubby guy in this when he's like Ralph Lauren type of guy


telllos

No, many are seasoned actors, Lee Jung-jae is very famous, he play in new world for example. Lee Byung-hun is also super famous if you like Korean movies.


MickWounds

The reveal of it being him was so cool as his name had been mentioned in the previous episode when the girls were talking before playing marbles


galvanickorea

It wasnt his name that was mentioned, it was his movie line "lets have a maldives in mojito" which is a very famous movie line here, so that was kind of a foreshadowing that Lee byung hun would be in the show


mmeka

His name was mentioned. I looked him up when the girl said his name. I was spoiled by his appearance when I looked at his google filmography. I was just trying to remember what he looked like...


Rahgahnah

My favorite example of this sort of thing is Chidi in The Good Place. I saw one picture of him IRL and thought "well, shit...".


Sometimesahippie

Holy shit he’s 48?!


SenpaiSwanky

Literally just wrapped up the last episode a few minutes ago. What a ride! Not surprised to hear improv was involved, emotions were riding high every single episode so I imagine a lot of “in the moment” acting popped up. To anyone still on the fence about watching this.. fuck that fence. Hop right on over and binge this in a few days like the rest of us ;)


SadJetsFan12

I wish I could watch this. I watched one episode last week and then a coworker straight up said the ending the next day during lunch. He’s like you said you watched it and I’m like no bro I told you I watched one episode and loved it. Now I’m just too pissed off to even bother with it. Edit: appreciate everyone saying it’s still worth the ride. I’ll check it out even knowing the ending.


SenpaiSwanky

Damn, there is a lot the coworker could have meant by ending. Like, who won or other spoilers that have to do with plot? There’s a lot to spoil. Sorry to hear that either way, I know exactly how you feel.


SadJetsFan12

Plot I believe. Want to know the worst part? He didn’t even watch the fucking show…he said he didn’t really want to waste his time watching the show so he just read what happened smh. If you’re going to do that don’t go around talking about shows like you’ve watched it… Maybe I’ll watch it but I’m just a bit annoyed still.


SenpaiSwanky

Yeah that’s like half the fun, I’d be seriously annoyed too. Takes half the oomf out of it! Weird to even bother reading up on some show’s ending if you don’t even have enough interest to watch it in the first place.


spyson

Honestly the ride is worth it so I suggest it.


SeerPumpkin

"No one was supposed to die at all, we just decided on the spot"


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Fantastic cast. All incredible actors


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Well… except for the VIPs.


lowelled

I thought they were pretty good by Korean TV standards, but then again, I sat through all of The Heirs. I remember reading the main reason why Americans in Korean TV shows are always so bad is because they have to cast non-union Western actors, who are by and large bad. I think it also has to do with visas, though I’m not sure.


xxMeiaxx

Alot of them aren't even actors. They got lucky with Ali, although the actor was really living in Korea to study acting, not just be a foreign worker.


lowelled

That’s what I mean by visas - a lot of the visas used by foreigners to live in South Korea restrict the types of work they can do, so the talent pool is limited.


ALWAYSWANNASAI

I think the idea was for them to be "shit head American billionaires with little to no personality"


AntiChr1st

Were they all supposed to be american? I thought it was an international group and they were just using english as a shared language edit: Apparently the 3 who talk the most are played by americans. But if the script and direction was done by a non-speaker that might affect how it's perceived by a native. I know american productions tend to fuck up norwegian *badly* even when they do have a native speaker


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My Korean friends said this is how a lot of Americans are portrayed in Korean shows / movies so it’s not just a Squid Game thing


daniellediamond

Every Korean drama I've watched that has American characters in a scene or two, they sound terrible. Terrible acting and lines.


toughfluff

The only good “American” acting/role in all the Kdramas that I’ve watch is, coincidentally, Lee Byung-hun, in Mr Sunshine. I know, kinda on a technically. But that’s how slim the pickings are. Such cringe to see David Lee McInnis chew through every scene he’s in and almost ruin the show.


-endjamin-

I am honestly so baffled by these characters. They seem like Americans acting like people that don't actually know how to speak English so they just pronounce things phonetically. Felt kind of like I was suddenly watching the dubbed version or something.


AntiChr1st

Might be that they were doing it for ease of consumption for ESL? If they're pronouncing things more phonetically it could be to make it easier for koreans/other non english speakers to understand without needing subtitles.


MulderD

For non lead/series regular roles, you cast locally. Even Hollywood does this. If a show takes places in Chicago, but it shoots in Toronto, there's a whole bunch of Ontario natives on that show. It's pretty slim pickings in Korea (or anywhere in Asia) when you are casting an "Old White Guy". No professional actors that are getting real work in Hollywood or Europe are going to randomly also be living in Korea. It's fairly common in Asian film/tv to see an "American" or "European" character and the performances are almost always terrible. Since 99% of the audience will be watching it with subtitles or dubbed their performances probably don't seem quite as terrible.


KittenBellyFat

Are you baffled that American productions consistently cast actors who can't even speak the language that their character is supposed to be fluent in? Then you shouldn't be surprised that Korean productions generally aren't concerned with the fluency or acting skills of their Western actors. Both primary domestic audiences won't know the difference. Daniel Dae Kim's caveman Korean in "Lost" is way more off-putting and hilarious than anything those non-Korean gamblers in "Squid game" said.


Onkel24

I believe they're supposed to speak in a way that just sounds distinctly from foreign places to a Korean audience. A bit in the sense of this video that went around a while ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt4Dfa4fOEY They're also probably all cheap amateur players.


Diligent_Bag_9323

They were as bad on screen as the English dubbed version is just to listen to. I almost stopped watching entirely before I decided to try the original Korean with subtitles. Made it so so much better. Listening to the dub’s voices felt like listening to the emotional capacity of the actor’s ranges in your average kid’s show. Just did not feel real.


glowstick3

Oh my the cop in the 1st episodes voiceover. I started laughing so hard.


Conquestadore

I dont know how people manage to watch dubs and enjoy the experience. I never had the luxury to watch dubs in my native language so maybe I'm used to reading subs but man does it bother me when lip syncing is off.


Vandergrif

Worse than the lip syncing is just the emotional acting quality of the voice overs is usually at least a good 50% the quality of the on-screen talent. Dubs are really only worth while if you are doing something and can't look at the screen consistently while watching a show.


Urbanscuba

Some dubs are good, and a select few are arguably better than the original, but you're right in general they're objectively much worse. Cowboy Bebop's English dub comes to mind - the director has flat out said that the English dub is his definitive edition and he even recommends Japanese watchers watch it dubbed with subtitles rather than in the original Japanese. But that's insanely rare and definitely the exception that proves the rule.


Vandergrif

That's also media that relies on voice acting from the start, bit different with live action.


hairsprayking

Or the low budget Polish dubs that are just one dude reading all the lines in the same monotonous voice hahah


coolRedditUser

I always found those very difficult to watch because I could understand both, so it's hard to ignore one and I end up just not understanding anything as they talk over each other


PopPop-Captain

I never do dubs unless I absolutely have to. Dubs almost never hit the mark although there are a decent amount of good anime dubs.


gingerbuttholelickr

I watched it dubbed first for ease of use, but watching undubbed us the way to go. The 2nd watch with subtitles will make paying attention to the screen and not the subtitles much easier.


Neosss1995

I'm not a native speaker, but I really is very funny the scene of the VIP with the police. "You have FAIF Minuts to Satisfaimy" xD


BlueDubDee

My husband said it felt like watching cut scenes in a video game. Their speaking was so over the top but also so basic, it was like get the point across loudly with as few words as possible, and all the words should be simple.


Godisdeadbutimnot

there was a chinese one too


--5-

American productions tend to fuck up Hindi as well so BAD, even if they have native Hindi speakers. Just hire a goddamn native scriptwriting consultant


general1234456

Why hire a highly paid consultant when Google translate does the job for you. - Every American production company.


bigfootswillie

I believe they just hired foreign expats living in Korea instead of casting people from abroad. Much much smaller talent pool to work with when you do that.


Jarfy

Yeah, but the problem is that the acting was so good up until that point that it felt "too bad" and it becomes one of the shows faults (for me at least). When the VIPs were first introduced, some of them even had unnecessary pauses and stutters between words that felt like legitimate flubs.


Anthro_DragonFerrite

If I recall, it's because its to keep the English slow for Korean speakers.


seahawkguy

I think it was to help Koreans follow along with the English. The pronunciation was deliberate, clear and slow.


UnknownReader

Imagine how Koreans or other Asians must feel when a big Hollywood movie gets terrible actors to be the token Asian, or fulfill some racist stereotype.


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Zlatarog

They were not all Americans first of all. Also, kind of hard to find great foreign actors while in Korea. Lastly, I’ve heard that their lines were written and said in the way they were, so that Korean people with some knowledge of English, could understand without subtitles


montereybay

As someone who has heard horrendous Chinese acting and delivery by bad guys in American movies for decades, this is amusing.


nnneeeerrrrddd

This whole thread is everyone in non-western cultures doing the Apu "Ha, now you know how it feels" bit.


CommanderL3

I am australian. I imagine people who speak other langauges feel the same way I do when an australian charcter appears on screen and sounds completely wrong when it happens in their langauge


Youngandidiotic

Yeah, they were all pretty shit. Even the script seemed a little off for the English scenes


Sadpanda77

You know they worked for me. I’ve been around super-rich people like this and they nailed that affected, fake way of speaking while telling incredibly stupid jokes (69-96) that they think are original. They’re supposed to be as cringe and irritating as possible, and they achieved that.


iwillfuckingbiteyou

Same. I recognised the type from launches, galas and donor events I've worked at.


Sadpanda77

Right? It's painful to be around


theshrike

Well now you know how it feels when your country is represented in a foreign film and they make it so ham-fistedly bad you want to quit on the spot. 😃


pawnografik

Cool username.


rlowens

and the refills on huge goblets that you couldn't possibly drink with those masks on. You couldn't get them some over-the-top jewel-encrusted straws?


KingStannis2020

https://i.imgur.com/KTf84vG.jpeg


orderinthefort

If they do end up doing a season 2 [spoiler](#s "it's going to suck that so many of them can't return.")


getrill

This is a show I'd be happier if they just keep it at one. I thought the characters were good and the immediate action of the games was fun, but while the worldbuilding got juicy with the side story elements of hacking/infiltrating the games, all of that largerly steered into "...okay?" territory by the end. Doesn't feel like a particularly solid base to add another chapter on top of. My bet would be that if they try another season it would be heavily focued on The front man and pivot in a way similar to how Westworld "left westworld". Or, the show 3% did a sort of similar paradigm shift from one season to the next, but it had a lot more of a worldbuilding bedrock to keep exploring.


orderinthefort

Yeah I think any magic it had is absolutely gone now that we know almost entirely what's behind the curtain, especially since the mystery was the most compelling aspect of the show with the games to me as just a backdrop to the mystery. And yeah like you said the cop infiltration was another angle that let the audience explore the mystery in parallel to the characters of the show which I think is a really captivating experience that a new season just won't be able to replicate. But I have a mystery fetish so now that there's very little mystery left, a season 2 seems unappealing, but maybe they can figure something out.


rachaek

I agree mostly, it will be difficult to replicate the feel of the first. Being completely in the dark at the start of the series, and just being like “what the actual fuck is this whole thing about, I need answers” was hugely fun. There are still a few things left to solve though. The full backstory of the front man. What has become of the other previous winners? How did the pink jumpsuit guys wind up doing their jobs - are they paid, were they similarly coerced? Same with the slapping train guy. And did the police chief receive the videos? What’s he going to do with them? I don’t know if the second season could be as good as the first, but I think they could still come up with something pretty good.


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We could meet a new cast of secretly supermodel Korean folks, and they could draw parallels with the first intentionally to get us to relate, then they explore deeper into how the "game" is hosted, who is doing it, why, etc. The entire first episode could be played as a complete restart with us thinking they're just redoing the first episode of the first one, but it's all new people getting caught up all over again, with Gi-Hun behind the scenes working to rescue them.


wandering_chair

I think there's probably still a way to maintain a sense of mystery and intrigue by introducing a whole network of these types of gameshows(essentially red rooms), the one in season 1 just being a "high class" version. At least that's how I interpreted the guy in the first episode saying that there are many types of games where you can win a lot more money. I'm thinking something like Videodrome in terms of it almost infecting the protagonist's mind, driving them deeper and deeper into the games as an attempt to destroy them.


caca_milis_

I agree - it's the most viewed show in Netlfix history so I'm sure they'll be gagging to do a second series, but Lee Jung-Jae wrote the damn thing 8-9 years ago, I'm sure that it wasn't written and he just moved on, no doubt he added things, took things out, changed elements here and there over the years - to try and make a second season to come out in another year or two, I just don't see how it could live up to this season.


galvanickorea

Lee Jung Jae is the name of the actor of the main chatacter


Gasur

It was written it as a 2 hour movie script in 2008. Netflix saw the script in 2019 and commissioned it as a series. The original 2 hour script had to be then adapted into 9 hour long episodes, and obviously a lot of things were added then to pad it out. Jun-ho, the policeman character, was added at that point for example. The series scripts took about a year to write from 2019. Personally I think it should be left as is, but there's no way we're not getting a second season with the success the first one has had. It's going to go full Money Heist and get milked to death. Expect anyone we didn't explicitly see die or have their organs harvested in season one to return.


Dr_Brule_FYH

Anybody who watched the dub please go back and watch the original with subs. This isn't some weeb shit the performances are just so good they deserve to be seen without missing half of the performance.


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The dubs are literally laughable.. it’s crazy


MommalovesJay

I’ve watched K-drama and K-pop for two decades now. The dub for this show was actually better quality. I watched without of course. But my sister who does not like watching k-drama watched it dubbed and I heard it and said ooh I don’t want to shoot myself hearing this. Lol.


Raph2051

Love this dude, fell in love with the whole cast and now I want to see other movies they star in.


idontgiveaseat

Try New World if you are into noir, gangster movies. Starring Lee Jung-jae (Gi-hun in SG). You’ll see whole different version of him


Balls_of_Adamanthium

For such a gigantic main cast, I can’t think of a single one that didn’t do a fantastic portraying their characters. Even the despicable gangster dude.


SmokePenisEveryday

Gangster guy was great at showing emotion behind his tough guy act. Despite knowing how much of a POS he is, You still found yourself feeling for him at times before quickly remembering not to.


stella_the_diver

That subtle look of fear in his eyes when Gi-hun asked if he trusted the men in his group to not kill him first. I live for that shit.


Vandergrif

Especially the bit on the glass panels, he did a great job of conveying the nuance there.


ItsFuckingScience

Yeah for sure I know if I was in his position with about 6 panels left I wouldn’t have gone forward either


AshgarPN

The actors playing the VIPs were terrible.


ThePickleOrTheEgg

I think it was just the dialogue. Specifically, the parts written in english. It didn’t come off as very believable, regardless of the delivery


xPenguinHD

69 XDDDDDDDDD get it guys cause its the sex number ok what about.. 96?? XDDDDDDDD


boonrival

It tracks that the kind of spoiled man children that attend and finance this shit would be immature though no lie


nice___bot

Nice!


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Honestly, my wife and I laughed. It was inserting a little comedy break into a part of the story that was getting increasingly tense.


beachlover77

Same here. The VIP portion was funny and I could understand why the English dialogue was weird since this is after all a Korean show.


spyson

I think people just found it immersion breaking that it suddenly jumped to English with the vips and the creator having trouble finding good foreign actors in Korea during covid.


eastbayted

I ended up watching the show in Korean with the English subtitles. The English voice acting was terrible.


Alpha_Jazz

Yeah but even then the VIPs still speak really weird English. I guess originally it's just subtitled in Korean and doesn't matter how they sound that much


FourKindsOfRice

I guess that's how we sound to people who don't speak English first lol. That's all I could think. Very unnatural and strange, like it was dubbed.


telllos

Foreigners in Korean dramas are always very bad, I think it's a mix of not good acting and dialogues written by people who aren't native.


matrixreloaded

Think of it this way, you ever watch American films with asians in it? Where they’re speaking their own language and rely on subtitles to understand what they’re saying? It’s trash and embarrassing to listen to. Same thing in this show. It’s just catered to the Korean audience.


mrBaDFelix

Someone compared them to GTA NPCs and its all I can see know


vilkav

Same thing with Europeans or South Americans or, I presume, Africans and pacific islanders. It's really tricky to have directorial quality control for languages you don't speak, I imagine.


Dinner_atMidnight

I really didn’t think they were that bad, that’s exactly how I picture the Uber rich Epstein islanders to behave. I mean have people seen the shit Elon Musk tweets


spack12

I read that this comes down to a couple factors. First thing is that this show was filmed in Korea; which means the talent pool for white actors that speak English probably isn’t the biggest to draw from. Also it was written by Korean people in the way they think English people speak. On top of that (this is the most interesting part to me) a vast majority of Koreans speak some English, so the dialogue they use is very simple and easy to understand because then someone who speaks English as a second language can still potentially understand what’s going on.


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Balls_of_Adamanthium

>The main cast


fabrar

I thought the gangster dude was one of the best actors in the whole thing lol. Watching his toxic macho bravado slowly break down over the course of the season was incredible


Dark_Vengence

I know it is a dark and disturbing show but it was somewhat wholesome.


MurderDoneRight

Yeah I heard the person writing the subtitles also improvised freely.


trextra

Lol this made me snort. Upvote for you.


ahintoflime

Jesus christ I don't watch these late night shows but is Fallon always this awful? This was difficult to watch. Anyway Squid Game absolutely rules. It's nice to see something genuinely good get so popular.


LucciniLinguine

I can’t even get through clips of him because he makes me physically uncomfortable. But yeah, bomb writing and actors


BobbyRed

For everyone who was disappointed with that episode, please go watch the video interviews the Squid Game cast gave for [The Swoon](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYd_pT9hZrM). They actually allowed the cast to show their personality and will make you fall further in love with them.


Junekri

That was LOVELY, thank you for the rec!


Vandergrif

There's a good reason people shit on Fallon so often on this website.


wubbwubbb

because reddit is an echo chamber?


HamFistedTallyrand

Yeah man I totally agree. Complete echo chamber


pierrekrahn

chamber^chamber^chamber^chamber


chrisn3

No way crazy lady’s running commentary on her shit was scripted. Or any other of her rants, they probably just let her loose on the extras and got the best lines.


Theoriginaldon23

There's a lot of excitement with what's coming out in South Korea! I'm looking forward to the 2nd season


eekamuse

That was fun. Thanks


m-hog

There is no better way to stop people from watching an interview, than by having Fallon conduct it. 🤦🏻‍♂️ …he’s the Google+ of talk show hosts.


800oz_gorilla

So I hear there are two different closed captions for english...one is better than the other. Anyone care to advise?


monkeyboyinc

Go with English instead of English[CC]. English is a more true translation, while [CC] is the English dub script. Unless you're watching the dub, in which case go [CC] so it matches the audio.


lila0426

Jimmy Fallon is literally the worst person to review this series and interview the actors.


MrConor212

It’s crazy seeing their insta followers just go 🚀


SnooCrickets5781

Plot twists: the actors were actually shot on set so the reactions would be genuine…😳😳