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SidekickJ2

Fish


CartersVideoGames

Notice how OP hasn't replied to this one yet, checkmate.


SidekickJ2

The Fish is too powerful


beta_vulgaris04

Stock scattergun can deal damage outside of melee range


Hardc0retempah

But can stock scattergun count hits for you. Thats what i thougt


[deleted]

What does counting hits matter if you're gonna die because you're within melee range and because scout is a squishy class? owned liberal


Hardc0retempah

Youre telling me you havent beaten a non light class to death with fish cause you are running circles around them. Typical weakminded skaterdude


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😭


X-tra-thicc

but fish has a faster hit rate and combined with scouts speed and ability to flank combined with the shitty broken overpowered melee system can destroy any unsuspecting opponents also the killfeed publicly announces the enemy's humiliation


BaguetteFish

Damn bro, you bluepill cope mald sigmaball ratio-d him!


[deleted]

ben shapiro'd him with FACTS and LOGIC


Mute75757

This wasn’t meant to be taken seriously


[deleted]

I wasn't being serious either 😭


SaiyanJD

Ok but is scattergun **fish**


[deleted]

Aight U got me there


MomGetTheMay0

Fish has jiggle physics


jomjom5

Fish


Vidistis

Fish was going to be my answer, glad it's already said and at the top, as it should be. Best weapon in the game.


pepsi_but_better

Soda Popper


The-Backgrounder-

Stock has a bigger clip


Maelstr0m_BloodGod

Does that matter because of the faster reload? And lets not forget about.... THE HOPS!


insert_acc_name_here

Unusual Orbiting Scout


SaberBlitz

soda popper can deal the same amount of damage as stock faster


nef36

But the Soda Popper can burst light classes


Papa_Sandwich

Vaccinator. Because if PabloGonzales2004 uses it its complete trash but when Papa Sandwich uses it its overpowered


The-Backgrounder-

Scattergun is more fun to fight because it doesn’t nerf 75% of the damage you can do


PinkCrimsonBeatles

I was playing a 2fort Community Server last night. One that's pretty competitive deathmatch. Anyway, I main engineer and am pretty good at him. I was having a good time with Widowmaker / Pistol / Gunslinger and just dming and racking up kills. Then the medic (which because 2fort isn't very well designed, fighting medics is already pretty cancerous [to elaborate all the classes in the game are very balanced overall, and as much as I love 2fort, its awful design makes every class very exploitable and cheap if you play them that way]) pulls out his Vaccinator. I did 4 damage on meat shots. *4 damage* It's somehow way more frustrating than Uber, where you do no damage.


Potato_Patrick

A stock Ubercharge isn't earned in 10 seconds like it is with the Vaccinator. That's why it's so busted, it is imo a direct upgrade from stock.


frostzapper

It lasts 2 seconds compared to stock. It isn't complete resistance nor does it make you invulnerable. Yes it's a huge upgrade but stock outperforms it in most situations (stock most of the time being the only weapon usable in any situation, while not always the best)


Cool-Boy57

I feel like it’s a more “Git gud with it.” Medi gun compared to the other options. Especially if you’re fighting enemies that do two different damage types and you’re hot-swapping resistances. That being said, it is infuriating to play against if the medic *is* good. Especially because it’s impossible to take him down on your own short of switching to spy exclusively to deal with them. You kind of need to make an agreement with another damage class to consistently deal with them. Which is harder than that automatic contract medics make when they pocket someone.


starfiregaming322

Oh no, stock is still better, its just that the vaccinator suffers from a similar problem that the wrangler suffers from, you counter it with slightly above average team coordination while the enemy really only needs to press a few buttons to do that. For example, a sniper and a pyro could drop the med with some teamwork; ya see, when someone is inflicted with afterburn from specific weapons (mainly the flamethrowers), two additional affects are present, continues heal sources are reduced by 12 (this means level 1-2 dispensers and vaccinator overheal can't even heal until the effect is removed) and resistances are reduced by 20%. This doesn't just apply to the 75% damage resistance of the vacc, it also applies to the crit immunity of the vacc. In other words, if you flame a bullet resistant med and your sniper lands a fully charged headshot, he can do 120 damage which should finish the med off after you flamed them. The problem here is the stupid high amount of coordination required to pull this shit off compared to "I used vacc and pressed m2 and sometimes R"


blue_mw

It's not a direct upgrade unless your team is really bad and all playing one class. Like seriously it's only one type of damage


37BrokenMicrowaves

You can switch type and pop again to stack the resistances. This does make it burn up the charge faster, but there’s nothing stopping you have having all 3 resistances at once


TheFiremind77

Last I checked, the vaccinator doesn't have melee resistance


TaranisTheThicc

Anytime I run into a Vaxx medic I always think about this. How they lack any melee resistance. So I become Demoknight with the sole purpose of killing the medic. But alas, I am terrible at Demoknight so it takes like four respawns for me to get them. And in the end, I die anyway and they're back in the game like 20 seconds later with another vaxx charge so it feels like I accomplished nothing.


mymax162

better off going spy, you have a bit less survivability, but it's at least a one-hit kill if you're able to not get fucked by other people showing up or garbage hitreg, and you can deal with the pocket too


The-Backgrounder-

Why are you playing comp deathlatch on a 2fort server


PinkCrimsonBeatles

It wasn't a "Competitive Match" so to speak. Just 2fort with people that took the game seriously and were very good, the score set to 300 captures (it was a 24/7 server), and no random crits or bullet spread. Side note, the game is a little too consistent with crits off, I love the guys in the server and play there regularly, but I wish they'd add crits back in. I used to despise them, but consistency is boring (I know this is a shit take). Also random bullet spread is important for balancing high damage hitscan weapons. Guys will spam the Brass Beast on this server and wreck house.


The-Backgrounder-

Random crits benefit the people who are already wrecking house. The more lwell someone is doing, the more likely they will to get a crit


PinkCrimsonBeatles

I know, and I'm, all thing considered, pretty good at the game. I don't really mind getting destroyed, I just like the unpredictable nature of random crits. I know it doesn't make any sense, and it's more balanced, but it's so much fun pulling out my wrench and one shotting a spy with a crit. So yeah, bad take but it's what I like. I play a lot of casual.


crunchyboio

But that lucky crit pipe out of the spawn doors that clears out the group of enemies camping it can easily flip that around


JaggedTheDark

>It's somehow way more frustrating than Uber As an engineer you kind of just have to learn to accept that stock ubercharges will pretty much always manage to get kill your sentry destroyed. With Vaccinator, which you don't see as much, you can destroy the sentry all while the engineer kind of just has to sit there, slowly watching the damage numbers tick up, loosing more and more hope for his buildings survival. To top that off, you were using the widowmaker, a gun that returns metal based on damage, and uses said metal as ammo. The medic basically went fuck you, I'm going to severely nerf the gun you're using. With a stock uber, a medic is able to be killed quite easily, and must practice uber timing. With a vac medic, you have a harder time killing them in general, with the Vaccinator providing a passive buff against incoming damage to both the medic and his heal target. He can then spam ubers as much as he wants, because he's got fucking four of them.


JustCallMeAttlaz

>it's somehow way more frustrating than Uber, where you do no damage. Its that way because it gives you the illusion that you're actually doing damage


klaptonr

I use the vaccinator and bro just use phlog


ElNub_

heard PabloGonzales2004 used atleast 6 times, where did the name come from?


eridion21

Its the bame soundsmith uses for new players because he actually ran into a demoman named that and basically carried the kid as medic


insert_acc_name_here

Wasn't that _ Scoober _ ?


Funny_-_man

You are talking about the guy who uploads twice a year, lazy purple. Not complaining tho, he is really good at sfm stuff


BLitzKriege37

Steoreotipcal noob name


meorcee

stock scattergun


cattdogg03

My stock scattergun is better than your stock scattergun


meorcee

Prove it


cattdogg03

Strange and named “:D”


meorcee

Mine is strange festive and named “studmuffin”


pjhabs

mine is named "god hates frags"


Nohardfellings

Stop it, he is already dead


Creamcheesebagelsboi

Mine is festivized strange broken bones field tested. Also it’s named “neon induced murder rampage”


meorcee

you mean festivized, mine is just strange festive, the limited time ones from 2014


bioberserkr2

How about your stock scattergun vs your stock scattergun?


cattdogg03

It’s simply too close to tell but I’d probably favor my stock scattergun


GregoryBrown123

Sun On A Stick. I’m not lying.


The86thplayer

Im so sorry


GregoryBrown123

It’s a hard life


Wsh785

Hey at least you die to Pyros _slightly_ slower now


insert_acc_name_here

*crits you with stock fire axe*


Wsh785

Well shit there's no resistance for that


GregoryBrown123

Sun On A Stick Battalion’s Backup Combo


PolishPickle101

based


GregoryBrown123

I’m just imagining a soldier blow his horn, followed by an army of default scouts with just Sun On A Sticks


Wsh785

Boston Revolution


Git_Good

didnt even reply to this one lmao


GregoryBrown123

he's scared


Traybz153

The claidheamh mor. The extended charge duration is fun and has secured me a lot of kills. Also, go go extendo reach.


The-Backgrounder-

Stock scattergun is so good scout doesn’t need extended charge


Desch4570

Backburner but with a fart killsound


The-Backgrounder-

Too good


Yukarie

Wait someone beat you!


The-Backgrounder-

Yeah, but stock scattergun with fart killsound is better


Yukarie

Still good


8988303682

medi-gun


The-Backgrounder-

You can kill people with the stock scattergun


FBI_AGENT_CAYDE

You can’t kill people who use it sometimes


mtccizl

Thats true


tacobellord

I can kill people with the medigun by not healing them does that count?


[deleted]

I cant


JJustRex

The Original


The-Backgrounder-

The scattergun isn’t a reskin


RamPl11

but penis gun


JJustRex

The Original isn't a reskin either as is shoots from the middle instead of the side


lil_ink_sac

The Original isn't a reskin, it's the ORIGINAL!


Ohokran

baby faces blaster. i like going fast as possible an it gives me an excuse to use bleed weapons


The-Backgrounder-

A stray pistol shot removed the boost


Ohokran

makes it more fun, i enjoy bullet hell games


The_Real_Petoboy

Absolute chad


DroidD53

They ruined the weapon, it was great now it sucks


Yukarie

Try in mvm at max speed upgrade and the penetration upgrade, it’s super fun still


DatBoiBen_REAL

Tomislav


The-Backgrounder-

No firing speed nerf on sg


wojtekpolska

sg is still slower firing speed than tomislav


sockTHPS

Quieter tho


Medical-Moe

Construction PDA. Checkmate.


The-Backgrounder-

Scattergun deals damagepp


Medical-Moe

I’m utterly devastated. My hats are forfeit and the entire Medical-Moe fortune is to be left to u/The-Backgrounder- for his triumphant words of wisdom. Please, do leave me to sob in shame with my PDA. I need to erect a rancho relaxo to cry myself to sleep tonight in fear of your stock scattergun’s superiority.


The-Backgrounder-

Damagepp reigns supreme


Foxhound_319

*sentry beeps*


Meme_review_69

Sentry kills scout. Boom. Easy.


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The-Backgrounder-

Stock SG is more fun to fight


JustCallMeAttlaz

That's just rude


Matix777

stock scattergun doesn't make people hate you


TheDarkSlyer

Dragons fury


The-Backgrounder-

Dragon’s Fury just got fixed The stock scattergun has always been normal


RyjaSoulFury

Loose cannon


The-Backgrounder-

Stock scattergun has an australium variant


RyjaSoulFury

Mild annoyance but grudgingly agrees.


8988303682

stock rocket launcher


The-Backgrounder-

The scattergun is faster and doesn’t harm you if used up close


Emilixop

But can you rocket jump with scattergun?


TheTazaInSpanish2

Scout has double jumps


Goober11222

The shortstop because the fast fire rate and fast reload really help in a pinch


The-Backgrounder-

Stock is more reliable because of more damage ans you can close the mid range gap easily


LiteratureTrick4961

And supposedly due to a coding oversight random crits are burst not singular


BoiBotEXE

I would use the shortstop more if I could actually hit shit with it.


dadepressedmemer

PAN


ManOfSpoons

Piss


The-Backgrounder-

Banned in competitive(and for good reason)


Antacidax

Festivized Professional Killstreak Strange Scattergun (Hales Own)


trapslap4444

Fish


UltraMago

Sniper rifle


The-Backgrounder-

Scout doesn’t piss in jars


UltraMago

I said sniper rifle, not jarate.


The-Backgrounder-

Fair enough Scattergun is more original, since it’s not based on an existing weapon


UltraMago

Me: ***POLYMORPHS INTO DEIMOS DEAD BODY***


Iranoutofname5

"Hehey, look, you shapeshifted into a dead guy"


insert_acc_name_here

*Schaudenfraude intensifies*


JaggedTheDark

Ooh this'll be difficult. I'll just list a few, and you can pick one at random if you find this comment. Brass Beast Stock shotgun, on engineer specifically. Air strike Scottish resistance


Unagi-ryder

Carbine M4A1


beta_vulgaris04

Engi’s Widowmaker (provided I can hit all my shots)


The-Backgrounder-

Stock scattergun doesn’t punish you for missing shots


Sweaty-Plant-3091

The fuckin reload time and delay between shots after you've run out...


The-Backgrounder-

Yes, but widowmaker takes metal, sg just reloads


dawid512

When u find a ano pack you don't have to reload


Szambiarz

Scattergun has bigger close range ramp-up


mechapotato1232

Axtinguisher


TheBloxxerClown

The Loose Cannon paired with the Tide Turner


The-Backgrounder-

Stock scattergun takes 1 slot, that combo takes 2 slots


IShallConsume

The Force A' Nature is great and all that, But the scattergun is more rounded up. But the Scattergun can't do a triple jump without the winger or the Atomizer.


The-Backgrounder-

The fan triple jump requires reloading and the atomizer


IShallConsume

Still nonetheless its better in terms of escaping using jumps in my opinion. *The soda popper is excused* Or Just have a habit of going to different areas in tf2 and trying to see if thats specific spot has a box that I can stand on.


Jookys11

Gunslinger, my cute little gun is cuter than your little gun.


Mysterious_Bit_5125

Ham


skoczny_nieskoczek

Spy stock knive


The-Backgrounder-

Scattergun isn’t melee


skoczny_nieskoczek

Fuck....Ur good


Sweaty-Plant-3091

Force a' Nature


The-Backgrounder-

Scattergun doesn’t push enemies out of your effective range


Sweaty-Plant-3091

You wouldn't say the reload time of FoN outweighs that?


The-Backgrounder-

You still need to run up again


Shredy-420

Soda popper


The-Backgrounder-

You’re the third person in the last minute to write this


Shredy-420

I didn’t know it was that popular


Windy2303

Iron bomber


The-Backgrounder-

Stock SG doesn’t have self-damage


Damnation_YT

Damn, he just invalidated every one of his launchers at once.


F_for_Maus

Mini gun


AnonNo9001

the stock wrench


The-Backgrounder-

Scattergun isn’t melee


YeetusBonkus

Scattergun. I am not saying this just to troll it looks amazing,deals a good amount of damage and war paints look amazing on it


MantleRealDeal

Strange serverkilling Killstreak scattergun


Pasta-hobo

The Blutsauger


The-Backgrounder-

Weird projectile arc


DemonKat777

Stock scattergun


Working-Fishing-5544

Natasha


The-Backgrounder-

Scattergun has no damage penalty


RevolutionPale1034

Soda Popper.


The-Backgrounder-

No festive variant


TheMSPaintUser

stock scattergun


Trollimpo

The market Gardener


The-Backgrounder-

Sg isn’t melee


cheesemangoofficial

shotgun


The-Backgrounder-

The scattergun is a better shotgun anyway


cheesemangoofficial

i drink paint


DogWithWatermelon

i cum blood


brodydwight

I piss WD-40


Damnation_YT

I bleed cum


sockTHPS

I paint piss


legomaker1yt

Force a nature


The-Backgrounder-

Bigger clip


DenimDanThePlaidChad

Butterfly knife


PlayerUnkown97

Natacha


giganticbirb

Liberty launcher Faster rockets, less rocket jump damage, more ammo, cool sound effect


Raul_alb

Fish


The-Backgrounder-

Scattergun has a botkiller variant


Raul_alb

Fish


nef36

Mega Chad


Gato_Potato

SODA POPPER. FIGHT ME


masterof_SCALES

Stock flamethrower


The-Backgrounder-

Why use flame when have gun


masterof_SCALES

Good point but


Minefnafer22

Kunai